6 comments

  • et1337 2 hours ago
    This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L
    • seanalltogether 28 minutes ago
      The thing I didn't understand after watching that video was why you need such an exotic solution to produce EUV light. We can make lights no problem in the visible spectrum, we can make xray machines easily enough that every doctors office can afford one, what is it specifically about those wavelengths that are so tricky.
      • on_the_train 23 minutes ago
        It really is the specific wavelength. Higher or lower is easier. But euv has tricky properties which make it feasible for Lithography (although just barely it you have a look at the optics) but hard to produce with high intensities.
        • YetAnotherNick 12 minutes ago
          Any source to this? I am hearing this for the first time.
    • culi 1 hour ago
      Here's your link without the surveillance

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0

      • skrebbel 57 minutes ago
        With slightly less surveillance
    • eddyg 1 hour ago
      Or this video, which came out before Veritasium's

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2482h_TNwg

    • hinkley 1 hour ago
      The whole “exploding tiny drops of metal” in the middle of this is just Loony Toons. This machine is literally insane and two of the companies I am long-long on would be completely fucked without it.
      • patmorgan23 1 hour ago
        You forgot WITH LASERS, and IN A VACUUM
      • atonse 1 hour ago
        Yes it was crazy when I first heard about it "wait what? they shoot it in mid-air?" and that was before I found out they did that like 30k times a second.

        But now 100k times a second apparently. Humans are amazing.

        • flowerthoughts 9 minutes ago
          > We are going to spray expensive stuff in an extremely fine and precise line. Then we're going to shoot a laser at each droplet.

          < Why?!

          > To make a better laser.

          < Yes, of course you are.

          > 100,000 times per second.

          < [AFK, buying shares.]

          • hinkley 2 minutes ago
            I have shares in one of their biggest customers, and one of their customer’s biggest customers.

            We are quickly leaving the realm of dependent variables still looking anything like diversification.

        • hinkley 43 minutes ago
          You have a machine that’s basically a clean room inside and one of the parts is essentially electrosputtering tin but then throwing all the tin away and using the EM pulse from the sputter to do work.

          Oh and can you build it so it can run hundreds or thousands of hours before being cleaned? Thanks byyyyyyyyeeeeee!

    • hinkley 1 hour ago
      Okay this is weird.

      > The key advancements in Monday's disclosure involved doubling the number of tin drops to about 100,000 every second, and shaping them into plasma using two smaller laser bursts, as opposed to today's machines that use a single shaping burst.

      This is covered in that video. Did they let him leak their Q1 plans?

  • xnx 1 hour ago
    > The company's researchers have found a way to boost the power of the EUV light source to 1,000 watts from 600 watts now.

    > "We see a reasonably clear path toward 1,500 watts, and no fundamental reason why we couldn't get to 2,000 watts."

  • throw0101a 2 hours ago
    So how small are individual components (e.g., transistors) nowadays? Presumably there's a lower limit: once you're a few atoms across, it seems that you can't go any smaller (?).
    • ahazred8ta 1 hour ago
      Gates are about 30-50 nm wide, even though they're called '3nm' for marketing reasons.
      • phkahler 25 minutes ago
        Metal pitch is 26nm. That means parallel wires can be placed 2 wavelengths apart with 13.5nm light.
    • whazor 2 hours ago
      This is about increasing output per machine via upgrades.
    • cyptus 45 minutes ago
      some gates are only 10-14 nm wide, thats about 50 silicon atoms!
    • ranger_danger 1 hour ago
      • hinkley 1 hour ago
        I still think we should have gone with average gates per square mm as a new yardstick. It would also make sense to the Numbers Go Up people.
  • onjectic 1 hour ago
    > SAN DIEGO, California

    > to help retain the Dutch company's edge over emerging U.S. and Chinese rivals

    Great news, but what a strange attempt to equate the U.S. and China in this and build a narrative. Cymer was founded in San Diego.

    • petcat 1 hour ago
      Yeah it's an interesting angle in the article. The EUV light source technology is completely designed, developed, and manufactured by Cymer in California, which is a US company that ASML acquired in 2013. If export control agreements were not in place then ASML would have never been permitted to acquire Cymer. And if they are not enforced then the US would almost certainly require ASML to sell Cymer back to US ownership, TikTok-style.

      The reality is that it's American technology that is used in ASML machines so I don't know why the article tries to frame it like it's a competition.

      • ahartmetz 40 minutes ago
        Which American rival would that be anyway? I have not heard of any.
        • petcat 27 minutes ago
          xLight is the promising new US competitor to Cymer. Lots of funding from the US CHIPS And Science Act. Founded by Dept. of Energy engineers who formerly worked on large-scale X-Ray systems and particle accelerators.
    • christkv 24 minutes ago
      I think the Japanese are also working on potentially competing technology
  • on_the_train 1 hour ago
    This is a steep increase of power to get out of a vacuum system that is highly sensitive to temperature changes.
  • pixelsub 1 hour ago
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