No leap second will be introduced at the end of June 2026

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37 points | by speckx 5 hours ago

8 comments

  • imglorp 1 hour ago
    Responding to a deleted comment:

    > ... the "invisible infrastructure" of the web; balancing historical accuracy with the technical need to minimize zone fragmentation is a much more complex trade-off than it appears on the surface ...

    The complexity goes up tremendously if some condition is rarely encountered: eg leap second. This means it gets pushed to a "corner case" and tested more lightly and more rarely.

    At $work around 2014 we had three different hardware GPS types which we used for precision timekeeping; some chips, daughterboards, and firmware. One day a leap second arrived -- it gets broadcast to aGPS hardware a day ahead of time -- and all three implementations handled it differently. One handled it, one did something else like ignore it, and I think one even bricked itself. That situation was less than bueno.

    • throw0101d 1 hour ago
      > The complexity goes up tremendously if some condition is rarely encountered: eg leap second. This means it gets pushed to a "corner case" and tested more lightly and more rarely.

      There is some talk of eliminating the leap second, which would over time have the Earth and sun diverge with regards to noon and such. One 'answer' to this concern is to have a 'leap hour' or something in the future (some future generation's problem, not ours): but given that people can't even get February 29th correct now, and it happens regularly, I don't see how a one-off event would be made to work. It'd be a huge coördination problem.

      Just look at the introduction of the Gregorian calendar: it was slightly off since the time of Julius Caesar, but that minor error added up over time, to the point that to get the equinoxes/solstices back to where they 'should' be 10 days had to be removed with the Gregorian calendar. And because of politics (or a religious flavour) it took a long while for everyone to get on the same page.

      • tialaramex 1 hour ago
        The calendar adjustments are because the planet's constant orbital period isn't a whole number of days.

        The leap seconds were an attempt to have wall clock time map to the planet's rotational angle consistently despite the problem that the planet's spin varies unpredictably.

        Yes the "leap hour" is a legal fiction of course. In reality in the event anybody cares about this in the distant future they will make the kind of "drastic" changes you've probably experienced twice a year for your whole life and barely noticed... More likely because the drift is so incredibly slow they won't change anything.

  • wlkr 1 hour ago
    Interesting! There's a lot I don't know about this, but I know a little more now. I'll admit, I naively thought this would be more regular than it appears to be [0].

    [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

    • butILoveLife 1 hour ago
      They teach us Scientific Realism in school, but reality is that we are really using Instrumentalism.

      That said, no one wants to admit it, so contemporary science follows Falsification, where we find ways to not actually make claims about reality. (Which as an Instrumentalist/pragmatist, I love Karl Popper, its just not metaphysical truth. And that would break Popper's heart)

      • riskassessment 57 minutes ago
        > They teach us Scientific Realism in school.

        I'd argue the opposite is true for anyone who has studied statistics which is largely built on Instrumentalism (think George Box: 'All models are wrong, but some are useful') and Popperian falsification (Null Hypothesis testing). We are absolutely taught to treat models as predictive tools rather than metaphysical truths.

      • voxl 1 hour ago
        A distinction without a difference. The only way we can interact with the world is via senses, via instruments, via measurement. We can rehash solipsism, but seeing as how that is an immediate dead end we all agree there is a physical reality. If there is in fact a reality, then we are measuring something real.
  • himata4113 34 minutes ago
    How about a leap minute instead so we only have to worry about this when it's not a problem anymore :)? We will either hit the fermi filter or accend intelligence.
  • SeanDav 1 hour ago
    I assumed that leap seconds could be determined algorithmically, it appears I assumed badly. This is a bit of a can of worms...
    • toast0 12 minutes ago
      They basically are, the algorithm is something like:

      At the beginning of january and july, observe the difference between UT1 and UTC. If the difference is >= 0.6s, a leap second will be inserted at the end of june/december. Publish the results here: https://hpiers.obspm.fr/eoppc/bul/bulc

  • throw0101d 1 hour ago
    There was some talk about a negative leap second† a few years ago:

    * https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241674216/climate-change-tim...

    † T23:59:58Z would have skipped/suppressed :59 and gone to T00:00:00Z.

    • netsharc 1 hour ago
      You make it sound like time labels like "23:59:58Z" can perform actions (e.g. to skip or "suppress").

      I had to look it up: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/negative-leap-second.html . In proper words, the clock ("the one humanity agrees to use) would skip 23:59:59Z.

      I wonder how much chaos a minute that only has 59 seconds would cause. Measurements would be off by that missing second (e.g. a pipeline delivering fuel at 60 liters/minute would surprisingly only have 59 liters in that minute..).

  • Vvector 56 minutes ago
    Leap Seconds need to be abolished. The only people who need it are Astronomers. They could just use an offset. Implementing leap seconds correctly is a huge burden, for no gain.

    Where I live, high noon today occurs at 1:03 PM. No one is complaining that it is 3 minutes (or 63 minutes) off. It's a non-issue for 99.9% of the population.

    • coldpie 48 minutes ago
      Hmm. I understand that perspective, but I'm not sure I agree. It does seem to matter over a relatively short & realistic time scale. According to the Wikipedia page, there have been 27 seconds added since 1972, which is only 44 years ago. At that rate, that's about 1 minute per 100 years. We have many systems that have existed for several centuries and I think it's not unreasonable to start making plans for systems that may exist for millennia, where you're starting to talk about a 10+ minute offset at the current rate.

      But I do think there is a valid argument that the infrequency of these events cause more issues than maybe one large adjustment 500 years from now would cause. Not sure where I land on this one.

      • ralferoo 30 minutes ago
        The problem is that Earth's rotation isn't consistently faster. Some years leap seconds need to be added, some years they need to be removed. Would be far better to leave them alone, let them average out, and as the GP said let the people who care about this add the offset they need.
        • coldpie 8 minutes ago
          > Some years leap seconds need to be added, some years they need to be removed.

          Is that true? Per Wikipedia:

          > Since [1972], 27 leap seconds have been added to UTC, with the most recent occurring on December 31, 2016. All have so far been positive leap seconds, adding a second to a UTC day; while a negative leap second is theoretically possible, it has not yet occurred.

          Either way, it's due in part to Earth's rotation slowing down, so the average drift would still be non-zero.

      • 8fingerlouie 46 minutes ago
        > since 1972, which is only 44 years ago

        Thanks for making me a decade younger :)

    • xorcist 46 minutes ago
      Unless you want to abolish timezones entirely, which would simplify clocks but complicate a whole lot else in society, you're going to need leap-something. Would leap minutes or hours really be much better? The idea that doing things less often causes more problems is a reasonable one.
    • paulddraper 23 minutes ago
      > The only people who need it are Astronomers.

      And anyone that cares about the relationship of the time of day and the position of the Sun.

      Granted, it's not a lot, only a minute per century.

    • 8fingerlouie 47 minutes ago
      I mean, in 53 years we have added 27 leap seconds, so in 119 years you'll have to set your alarm a minute earlier if you still want to arrive on time.
  • shablulman 5 hours ago
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  • sltr 10 minutes ago
    Next up: DOGE cancels leap seconds. /s