Too Much Color

(keithcirkel.co.uk)

41 points | by maguay 2 days ago

4 comments

  • rekabis 2 days ago
    > The magic number to remember is the "Just Noticeable Difference" (JND). For dE00, JND is around 2.0. Below that, people struggle to tell two colours apart. Below 1.0, basically no one can.

    Except for a tetrachromat. Specifically, a strong tetrachromat that has both four colour channels in the brain and a different frequency on the fourth cone.

    Who are, admittedly, hella rare. Apparently there are less than a few dozen confirmed world-wide.

    But they do exist.

    • lucideer 1 hour ago
      > admittedly, hella rare. Apparently there are less than a few dozen confirmed world-wide

      What's actually hella rare is tests for tetrachromacy. Given the total number of people who have ever taken such a test, I think it's reasonable to assume there are significantly more than a few dozen actual tetrachromats out there.

    • snarkconjecture 2 hours ago
      Computer screens have three-dimensional color spaces. Tetrachromacy doesn't change that.
      • tgv 2 hours ago
        Is that so? Our color perception is weird. It's one dimension split in three overlapping sectors. Adding a fourth sector may add information that makes it easier to distinguish colors.
        • Jensson 1 hour ago
          We do have four sectors, 3 color perception and then the brightness perception that is used in the dark. In mid darkness you get a mix of all of those, although the fourth is not really perceived as a color so it can be a bit hard to use.
      • Zardoz84 1 hour ago
        And the eye cones not are sharp filter, they overlap ranges with mid-low sensibility. That must be nought to someone with Tetrachromacy to percibe something different on a RGB screen.

        > More precisely, she had an additional cone type L′, intermediate between M and L in its responsivity, and showed 3 dimensional (M, L′, and L components) color discrimination for wavelengths 546–670 nm (to which the fourth type, S, is insensitive). Source: Wikipedia

    • xyzsparetimexyz 2 hours ago
      > But they do exist

      Do they?

      • IAmBroom 1 hour ago
        Do you doubt genetic and microbiological science?
  • cratermoon 2 days ago
    What's My JND? 0.0089 Can you beat it? https://www.keithcirkel.co.uk/whats-my-jnd/?r=A30iKP__7_Hb #WhatsMyJND
    • e1ghtSpace 13 minutes ago
      0.0043, but to be honest, I could probably do better if I changed my monitor's settings. But I have it setup with low brightness for night time lights off viewing that won't wake me up.
    • rXwubXUGAm 37 minutes ago
      I got a 0.0035. I'm on a Dell U2724D monitor which is supposed to have decent color accuracy and I cranked up the brightness and contrast to a maximum so I'm sure that helped a somewhat. I also noticed squinting and closing my eyes for a bit sometimes helped when I felt stuck.

      "Genuinely remarkable. You sailed past the theoretical human limit like it owed you money. I'd accuse you of cheating but I don't actually know how you'd cheat at this."

    • footydude 1 hour ago
      0.0042 apparently https://www.keithcirkel.co.uk/whats-my-jnd/?r=AaYkKP___-u-

      There's was 2 or 3 where i had no idea, guessed and was a way off.

      There's was 1 where i did a hail Mary and got it. It was interesting how some even towards the end were really obvious and others were really subtle - I'd say I did better with purple tones and worst with the blue / greys.

    • bee_rider 37 minutes ago
      .0037. IIRC it is possible to get a better score by looking around the screen, your peripheral vision might be somehow more sensitive.

      I can see what they mean about .02 though. If I weren’t specifically looking for difference that’s where the colors become less noticeable.

    • xiconfjs 2 hours ago
      What's My JND? 0.0032 Can you beat it? https://www.keithcirkel.co.uk/whats-my-jnd/?r=AUEjKP___831 #WhatsMyJND

      I need a better display for sure :)

    • WalterGR 2 hours ago
      Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321188

      “Show HN: What's my JND? – a colour guessing game” 54 points | 8 days ago | 62 comments

    • tgv 2 hours ago
      I'm color blind, and not even a little bit, but I scored 0.0084. I've noticed before that my perception of contrast is slightly better (than that of the people I ever compared it with; admitteldly, that's only a handful, but they weren't colorblind).
    • Jensson 1 hour ago
      That mostly depends on the quality of your screen.
    • halflife 1 hour ago
      0.0021
    • cafebabbe 3 hours ago
      Only with chrome devtools :)
  • jacknews 1 hour ago
    lol, the website reminds me of tropes like the professional cleaner whose house is messy, the chef who eats instant noodles at home, or the haut couture fashion designer who only wears jeans and tees. The colour expert whose website is monochrome.
    • olejorgenb 48 minutes ago
      My impression is that they are a compression expert, not a color expert. Make sense they chose uniform flat colors :D
  • sophieraiin 1 hour ago
    Am I pretty?? (story)