7 comments

  • ggreer 7 minutes ago
    It's odd that this is a request for a preliminary injunction considering that the case is almost four years old. Both the 2022 and the new filing are heavily censored[1][2], so I can't know for sure, but I didn't notice any revelation in the latest filing. Amazon requires that anyone selling through their platform not offer lower prices elsewhere online. If a seller does so, they'll be relegated to the "New & pre-owned" offers section below the "Add to cart" & "Buy it now" buttons. This has been the case since at least 2019. (This also means that if you're shopping on Amazon and want a better deal, you should check the other offers section for a cheaper price.)

    Lots of retailers (both physical & online) have similar requirements, and many manufacturers have similar requirements for minimum advertised prices (such as Apple). I think the California AG's plan is to argue that the pricing rules combined with Amazon's large market share merit a judgement against them, but it's going to be an uphill battle to single out one company for practices that are common to the industry.

    1. https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/2022-...

    2. https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/REDAC...

  • fmajid 1 hour ago
    At this point, Antitrust law is no longer the right statute for prosecution.

    RICO is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corru...

    • 113 1 hour ago
      Seems like that's just for protesters.
    • cucumber3732842 27 minutes ago
      That would be like showing up for the battle of Kursk with an M18 battalion. Might go well at first, you might score some big flashy wins, but....ugh... things are gonna get worse as the day goes on and it's generally an ill advised strategy

      Rico as written and enforced walks right up to the limit of constitutionality in a dozen ways. It's built for speed. It's never really been thrown into a knock down drag out legal action between titans on equal footing (i.e. a bigco legal team, potentially helped by other bigcos). It might survive nominally but it probably won't come out the other end in serviceable condition

      I say go for it. Heads I win. Tails you get RICO reform.

    • add-sub-mul-div 1 hour ago
      Anything trying to protect consumer rights at the federal level risks getting shut down during a future Republican administration.
  • lelandfe 1 hour ago
    If you've ever seen those "Click To Reveal Price" or "Price Only Revealed At Checkout" products online, this here is one reason why. They help businesses keep discounted prices hidden from Amazon's crawlers.
    • ggreer 19 minutes ago
      This can also be true if the manufacturer of the product requires that retailers not offer a price below a certain amount. This is called the minimum advertised price (MAP) and is common for big brands like Apple. Another way to get around the minimum advertised price is to bundle the product with some other product or service, such as is done with cell phone contracts.
    • xnx 16 minutes ago
      Blame the manufacturer for this, not the reseller.
    • fg137 35 minutes ago
      Is it effective, like, at all?
  • trollbridge 2 hours ago
    Amazon would be smart to settle with no admission of wrongdoing and an agreement to seal documents lest every other state end up following suit.
    • ikidd 1 hour ago
      The documents can be subpoenaed for a new proceeding from the source.
  • SilverElfin 41 minutes ago
    We need all new antitrust laws. The size of these companies is itself a problem. They have so much power that there is no possibility for fair competition. Maybe we can start by taxing companies that are worth more than 1 trillion at an extremely high rate.
  • worik 2 hours ago
    Unsurprising

    Did Amazon think they were too big to convict?

    I wonder if they will meet the fate of Standard Oil, back in the day.

    • fmajid 1 hour ago
      No, Antitrust law was effectively neutered by the Chicago School and their agent Robert Bork.

      https://www.theamericanconservative.com/robert-borks-america...

      (BTW that source is right-wing and can hardly be said to be biased against Bork).

      • vondur 54 minutes ago
        That's fascinating. Bork was denied being on the supreme court but his ideas shaped current antitrust laws. It feels a bit like the old Standard Oil argument: It's ok to have a huge market share so long as pricing for goods gets cheaper even if it hurts competition overall. *edited* for grammar.
  • jshzglr 37 minutes ago
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