Swiss AI Initiative (2023)

(swiss-ai.org)

63 points | by doener 8 hours ago

9 comments

  • cristoperb 5 hours ago
    Apertus is the open source 8b and 70b LLM from swiss-ai. They've published both the base and the instruct sft models. Very cool that projects like this exist.

    https://apertvs.ai/pages/documentation/

    • reconnecting 30 minutes ago
    • andsoitis 3 hours ago
      Is it any good?
      • khalic 12 minutes ago
        Yes it’s not bad, although it’s not meant to be a chatbot, post training is limited, so it won’t feel as smooth as TOTL of course. The number of supported languages is mind boggling.

        Focus was on open data, languages and auditability.

        Their loss function is fancy, not sure about the effects

      • cristoperb 3 hours ago
        I haven't tried it for anything myself yet. The paper provides several benchmarks. The emphasis during training was on multi-language support (over 1800 languages are represented in its pre-training data, which is 40% non-English) and non-copyrighted training data... and the benchmarks seem to suffer for it.

        https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.14233

        • nicolaric 1 hour ago
          it's quite bad tbh. i've tried it for some time and i expected much more...
  • himata4113 6 hours ago
    2023, but deadlines less than a month ago? Seems to be been updated continiously so (2023) doesn't really fit here.
    • dtech 4 hours ago
      I propose every Linux post should be tagged (1991) from now on
  • andsoitis 2 hours ago
    Has anything noteworthy come from this initiative? I have not heard of anything yet.
  • gnabgib 8 hours ago
    (2023) Little said at the time (4 points, 1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38529956
  • TMWNN 6 hours ago
    Related 2023 discussion (22 comments): <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38523736>
  • shlewis 5 hours ago
    Why is this not written in German, I'm afraid to ask?
    • kuerbel 3 hours ago
      Why is it not written in French? Or Italian? Or Romansh? Because Switzerland has four official languages and English makes it easier for everyone
      • ale42 44 minutes ago
        Not really. It's because the target audience is more academic/scientific rather than the Swiss population at large. In the latter case, it would be in the local languages. The law is relatively clear for this. English is not accepted in Switzerland as a replacement language for the "local" ones, although many people can speak or at least understand some English.
        • kuerbel 12 minutes ago
          heavy sigh I'm Swiss. I know. What I meant to say is that German is not the default language in Switzerland.
    • backscratches 1 hour ago
      It's a university in a French speaking region for one.
    • rrgok 59 minutes ago
      Why it has to be german?
    • arh5451 1 hour ago
      Because german is hard.
    • j7ake 2 hours ago
      Most researchers in Switzerland are non-Swiss, and many institutes have English as language of business
      • lynguist 20 minutes ago
        Staff nationality of Swiss higher education institutions:

        - Universities: 55% Swiss, 45% foreign - Universities of applied sciences: 75% Swiss, 25% foreign - Universities of teacher education: 87% Swiss, 13% foreign - Professors: 49% Swiss, 51% foreign - PhDs/scientific collaborators: 30% Swiss, 70% foreign - Professors of ETH Zurich: 31% Swiss, 69% foreign

    • dirasieb 5 hours ago
      english is the lingua franca
    • dackdel 2 hours ago
      because the brits won the language wars.
      • gib444 33 minutes ago
        And the other wars ;)