I used to live nearby and was always weirded out by the statue just being one of the required two-minute stops for all the tourist groups. A short monologue, then move on to the next attraction...
Great work. My SO is doing family research on the part of her family that came from Warsaw (and a few other parts of Poland). I know she will love to see those.
Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easier thanks to push for Digital ID. Choose demographic and the dashboard will show where everyone is and their connections.
Ten years ago multiple tech giants openly stated they would not help the Trump administration build a Muslim registry [1]. Since then, several of them have bowed the knee and donated to his second inauguration.
I’m from Germany, and keep wondering how much more damage the NSDAP could have done if they had access to the data these companies now have on everybody.
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-r...
It shows only the better part but doesn't show the bad part. Poles are divided about usefulness of this uprising, how it was (badly) executed and many believe it was deemed to fail.
The aftermath [1] was that ~220k Poles died and out of that 150-200k civilians, often with mass execution - later on a lot of warsaw population was sometimes bitter toward the uprising’s leadership.
To put it in context: within 2 months 200k people died, similar number like in Hiroshima but almost nobody wordwide know about warsaw uprising.
Hamas attacked an IDF base and did a fantastic job keeping civilian death counts well below IDF thresholds of acceptable collateral damage.
The Israel government ignored the US's warning of the attack (why wouldn't they? they helped it happen by silencing intelligence reports about it, and somebody mysteriously moved the festival to the IDF base right before the attack.
So the only real civilian casualties of Oct 7 fall on the Israeli government, its people who elected it, and the AIPAC related Jewish institutions in the US who fund them. The blood is, as they once said, on their hands.
Wow, Hamas is _more_ justified? The Nazi's invaded Poland. Doesn't get more stolen than that. Also again: one is slaughtering civilians, the other is fighting the army. This is not even comparable.
I think you should take a step back and listen to what I'm saying. Are you able to reflect on how the Warsaw Uprising is treated different than the Oct 7th Uprising? Why do you think that is? Are you helping to perpetuate that moral discrepancy?
Did the Nazis also make up atrocity propaganda related to the Warsaw Uprising? I'm genuinely curious if this is a Zionist "innovation" or if they really are exactly like the Nazis.
Calling documented Hamas atrocities “Zionist atrocity propaganda” while comparing Jews/Zionists to Nazis is not “genuine curiosity”. It is denial and Nazi inversion.
The Warsaw Uprising was an armed revolt against Nazi occupation forces. Oct 7 involved the deliberate killing and abduction of civilians, including people at a music festival and families in their homes. That distinction is not subtle.
You can oppose Israeli policy without denying or laundering Hamas terrorism. If your argument requires doing that, the problem is the argument.
I am only guessing but maybe the mass slaughter, rape, burning, dismemberment, kidnapping of civilians is more like the behavior of the Nazis than the Poles in this case
>mass slaughter, rape, burning, dismemberment, kidnapping of civilians
Literally never happened. Has been debunked for years now. Update your Hasbara (and your anti Iran propaganda), Israelibot, because most people who aren't brain rotted Christy boomers don't fall for the Jewish supremacy and Israeli colonial horseshit (from a people who hate Christians like them nonetheless! Google "alternative plus sign") anymore.
If disliking the terrorist tactics of the zionists who invented modern terrorism (Lehi, Irgun, etc.) is "antisemitic" then my heart weeps for the Jews who will have to be held accountable for it then.
That's not accurate - the uprising was not planned in collaboration with the Russians.
The whole point of the uprising was to liberate Warsaw before the Russians get in, as everybody knew that Russians are not liberating Poland - they are looking to occupy the country, just as Germany did. If the Uprising was successfull, it would give a great credit and negotiating card to the Polish government.
Unfortunately, Russians knew that too - that's exactly why they stopped their advance and watched the city being razed to the ground. Also unfortunately, they were right and ended up occupying Poland for the next 45 years.
It was definitely not planned with the Soviets, for multiple reasons:
- the Poles of the AK (London government loyal) were not the communist faction (Lublin government loyal), and saw the insurrection as the last chance to get a Poland out of the Soviet sphere of influence post WWII – especially after the publicization of Katyn;
- even if they had wanted, Stalin had zero interest in giving a hand to London-loyal Poles that were in frontal opposition to “his” Lublin-loyal Poles;
- the Germans were not caught flat-footed, they already knew of the insurrection preparations and therefore not only was the city well garrisoned, it would have been in any case, as it was the strategic lock of the area to hold the RKKA on the Vistula;
- and all the above is moot in any case, because the RKKA units that reached the neighborhood of Warsaw in '44 had as many chance of taking the city as the German units that reached Moscow in '41 – they were just spent and at the end of their logistic tail after months of fighting during the Bagration operation, and had no chance of successfully developing an opposed crossing of the Vistula against two Panzerkorps.
So the London-loyal Poles were in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, and at least they were able to go with a glorious bang. Like a Marshal said, “c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre”.
> So the London-loyal Poles were in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, and at least they were able to go with a glorious bang.
Many argue this uprising is nothing to be proud of and the crime of the leadership with devastating results: ~200k civilians went with this bang, and city completely wiped out.
It would be naive to think that either ruler intended to honour this agreement in the long run. Both sides were probably gambling on when, not if, the agreement would be broken.
It was an attempt of the Polish resistance to avoid being "liberated" by the Soviets to just immediately become occupied by the communist red army. The idea being to liberate Warsaw and get US/UK assistance through the Polish government-in-exile in London to establish Polish military control before the Soviet army arrived. Getting US/UK support could have meant that Poland remained an independent state. Instead, Stalin not only betrayed them, but later actually convicted the surviving leaders of the uprising. "Crimes against communism".
This is now politely referred to as a Soviet betrayal in service of "Stalin's post-war political goals for Poland".
https://www.barwypowstania.pl/photos/22
https://www.barwypowstania.pl/photos/51
and the world is stupid enough to repeat the endless cycle of violence.
It is up to us to decide if "never again" is a universal rule or "oh, but this time it is different".
https://youtu.be/Ejd2rsXoQSI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22W%22_Hour?useskin=vector
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Also, if you ever have a chance then head to Warsaw Rising Museum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Rising_Museum?useskin=v...
The aftermath [1] was that ~220k Poles died and out of that 150-200k civilians, often with mass execution - later on a lot of warsaw population was sometimes bitter toward the uprising’s leadership.
To put it in context: within 2 months 200k people died, similar number like in Hiroshima but almost nobody wordwide know about warsaw uprising.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising#Aftermath
The Israel government ignored the US's warning of the attack (why wouldn't they? they helped it happen by silencing intelligence reports about it, and somebody mysteriously moved the festival to the IDF base right before the attack.
So the only real civilian casualties of Oct 7 fall on the Israeli government, its people who elected it, and the AIPAC related Jewish institutions in the US who fund them. The blood is, as they once said, on their hands.
What makes you think you're in a position to qualify the morality of the deaths of my not-so-distant relatives at the hands of Nazi invaders?
Anyone (yes, every single one in my book) who is defending Oct 7th is nothing but fueling antisemitism.
The Warsaw Uprising was an armed revolt against Nazi occupation forces. Oct 7 involved the deliberate killing and abduction of civilians, including people at a music festival and families in their homes. That distinction is not subtle.
You can oppose Israeli policy without denying or laundering Hamas terrorism. If your argument requires doing that, the problem is the argument.
Literally never happened. Has been debunked for years now. Update your Hasbara (and your anti Iran propaganda), Israelibot, because most people who aren't brain rotted Christy boomers don't fall for the Jewish supremacy and Israeli colonial horseshit (from a people who hate Christians like them nonetheless! Google "alternative plus sign") anymore.
As expected from the original comment: Nothing but antisemitic rhetoric.
For those who don't know, the Uprising was a planned resistance action to expel the Nazis from Warsaw.
Supposedly it was planned in collaboration with the Russians. But the Russian army stood down while the resistance fought alone for two months.
This allowed the Germans to regroup, fight back, and eventually to destroy the city, and most of the resistance itself.
The whole point of the uprising was to liberate Warsaw before the Russians get in, as everybody knew that Russians are not liberating Poland - they are looking to occupy the country, just as Germany did. If the Uprising was successfull, it would give a great credit and negotiating card to the Polish government.
Unfortunately, Russians knew that too - that's exactly why they stopped their advance and watched the city being razed to the ground. Also unfortunately, they were right and ended up occupying Poland for the next 45 years.
Many argue this uprising is nothing to be proud of and the crime of the leadership with devastating results: ~200k civilians went with this bang, and city completely wiped out.
Spreading this knowledge is now illegal in Putin's Russia. [1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Against_Rehabilitation_of_...
What is fact is that Hitler and Stalin were military allies to start WWII. This is documented history.
Would you agree with my latter statement?
nobody cared about the poles
This is now politely referred to as a Soviet betrayal in service of "Stalin's post-war political goals for Poland".