Unicode 18.0.0 Beta

(unicode.org)

26 points | by birdculture 3 hours ago

5 comments

  • computer23 1 hour ago
    The internet needs a "tin foil hat" emoji, but two proposals have been rejected :(

    Emoji proposals and status: https://unicode.org/emoji/emoji-proposals-status.html

    • turblety 1 hour ago
      Did they give a reason why it was declined? Was it some bureaucratic "form not filled in correct" thing, or are they actually against the concept of it?
      • lifthrasiir 51 minutes ago
        Vendors-have-no-capacity-to-handle-more-than-handful-number-of-emojis-per-each-release thing.

        To elaborate: it should be plain obvious that not every Emoji proposal can be accepted even though all of them are correctly filed, as there would be too many Emojis there then. So there has to be some threshold, and that threshold is mostly stipulated by vendors' willingness to process new Emoji characters for designing fonts and updating softwares in time.

      • zyx321 51 minutes ago
        That list only includes suggestions that were seriously considered and voted on.

        Since it's a vote, there is no single official 'reason' for rejection. If I had to guess: it would be confusing to anyone who didn't grow up with American TV shows.

        • pwdisswordfishq 39 minutes ago
          Eh, it's not like there are hundreds of emojises pretty much exclusively tied to Japanese culture.
          • maxbond 25 minutes ago
            They were grandfathered in, not voted on. Or rather there was a vote that resulted in adopting the character sets developed by Japanese telecoms en masse.
    • brikym 35 minutes ago
      Seems like a conspiracy. Also it's so silly that pistol turned into water pistol.
  • orangepanda 2 hours ago
    What everyone actually cares about — new emojis!

    * Cracking face

    * Left/Right thumb sign

    * Monarch butterfly

    * Pickle

    * Lighthouse

    * Meteor

    * Eraser

    * Net with handle

  • poulpy123 1 hour ago
    looking at the changes it makes me wonder:

    - is there an usable font the cover all unicode ?

    - if not is there really a point to include everything possible in unicode ?

    - how many space is remaining for new alphabet and smileys ?

    - how do they handle changes in scripts, for example if new proto-cuneiform or seal script symbols are discovered ?

    • wongarsu 1 hour ago
      > if not is there really a point to include everything possible in unicode ?

      Needing to load three fonts to show a single document that mixes vastly different character sets is still infinitely better than not being able to have those different characters in the same .txt or .md file at all

      > how many space is remaining for new alphabet and smileys ?

      Unicode can encode about 1100k code points, and about 800k of those are currently unassigned and available for future scripts or characters

    • lifthrasiir 1 hour ago
      As an example of having not-exactly-a-character as Unicode "characters", it is rather rare that musical symbols are embedded in running texts (which is a primary litmus test for encoding), but musical symbols are typically rendered with existing font technology so there are needs for standardized "character" codes, as SMuFL [1] does. In fact Unicode 18 will get tons of musical symbols that have been in SMuFL for a long time but not yet in Unicode [2].

      [1] https://www.smufl.org/

      [2] https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25017-miscellaneous-musical...

    • tecleandor 1 hour ago
      > how do they handle changes in scripts, for example if new proto-cuneiform or seal script symbols are discovered

      They get added in the next Unicode revision.

      In Unicode you have "blocks" [0] that are often bigger than the number of characters in a script, language or function. There are usually also space for new blocks between unrelated blocks.

      For example, in the case of cuneiform, it was introduced in Unicode 5.0, and there have been revisions in 7.0 and 8.0 [1]

      --

        0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_block
        1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_(Unicode_block)#History
    • pveierland 1 hour ago
      The Noto fonts have great coverage: https://notofonts.github.io/overview/
      • infinita740 3 minutes ago
        Pretty cool vizualisation.

        There is also GNU unifont [1] "The original intent of Unifont was to offer a simple font format with wide Unicode coverage to render something meaningful for each Unicode code point"

        [1] https://unifoundry.com/unifont/index.html

  • brikym 34 minutes ago
    Hey ChatGPT show me a seahorse emoji.
  • izissise 56 minutes ago
    No toki pona?