NSA using Anthropic's Mythos for cyber attacks

(ft.com)

58 points | by jawiggins 2 hours ago

10 comments

  • maerF0x0 1 hour ago
    I am all about NSA using this stuff as "Defense" but my main concern is their long track record of unconstitutional warrantless, or abuse of shadow courts, to surveil the people they're supposed to be protecting, and for nefarious purposes like spying on ex girlfriends [1]

    [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-...

    • applicative 11 minutes ago
      Wait til you hear about other countries, to say nothing of Silicon Valley.
    • cyanydeez 1 hour ago
      dont worry, theyll also outspurce to capitalists to ensure all the paychopaths get a taste
      • cadamsdotcom 44 minutes ago
        You just typo’d the words “outspurce” and “paychopaths” into existence =D

        Outspurce - to pay someone to do your (software) dirty work

        Paychopath - someone who goes against their ethics as soon as the price is right

        Two in one post. New record!

  • tristanj 1 hour ago
    The FT article has a lack of evidence of an actual operation. It claims Mythos is being used for "offensive cyber operations" in the first paragraph, but doesn't give a source supporting this claim. The lone piece of evidence given says Mythos "would be useful for" infiltrating China or Iran, which is a hypothetical, not evidence of an actual operation.

    None of that means the NSA isn't doing offensive work, my issue is that FT claims Mythos is involved in active foreign attacks based on a single anonymous source saying it "would be useful."

    • _alternator_ 21 minutes ago
      Right, and zero non-anonymous sources. A person plausibly "close to Anthropic" or vaguely "with knowledge of the situation" using the stock phrase "the best defense is a good offense"... this is not a news article y'all. It's speculation.
  • thrill 1 hour ago
    That headline is doing a lot of heavy making-it-up summarization.
    • NewsaHackO 1 hour ago
      Yeah, I honestly feel like some sources should be banned if they regularly editorialize titles like this. FT wants to sell subs by any means necessary, even if it means creating some clearly misleading titles to do so. By amplifying their reach and allowing posts like that only further incentivizes them to continue to do it.
  • john_strinlai 1 hour ago
    while this article is frustratingly light on substance, it should be no surprise the nsa would use anything and everything that could give them an edge. of course they would test out mythos, chatgpt-cyber, etc.
    • selectedambient 30 minutes ago
      accurate and they probably had access already.
  • diwank 1 hour ago
    """ It remains unclear whether Anthropic’s engineers are assisting the NSA in active operations. However, one person close to the situation said Mythos would be useful for infiltrating the networks of nations such as China or Iran. """
    • keithnz 1 hour ago
      seems they forgot to say "...and the networks of friendly nations / allies"
  • lschueller 1 hour ago
  • sigmar 1 hour ago
    Not unexpected. Is anyone tracking which episode we're on in the Pantheon timeline?
  • Computer0 1 hour ago
    The only relevant except: "The San Francisco-based company had installed about half a dozen staff within the NSA as so-called forward-deployed engineers to guide the use of the technology and customise models for specific applications, two people familiar with the arrangement said.

    It remains unclear whether Anthropic’s engineers are assisting the NSA in active operations. However, one person close to the situation said Mythos would be useful for infiltrating the networks of nations such as China or Iran.

    “The best way to build a good defence is to build a good attack,” said a person close to Anthropic, who argued that adversaries are probably building their own AI-driven offensive technology. “If [Mythos] is not used to build attack agents, adversaries will find a way to do it.”"

  • maerF0x0 1 hour ago
    How to get past this paywall ?