26 comments

  • wmeredith 1 hour ago
    "SpaceX told investors during the IPO process that it sees an addressable market for AI products worth $26 trillion, roughly equivalent to U.S. GDP."

    This is unhinged.

    • TrackerFF 56 minutes ago
      I know it has become a meme by now, but IIRC the market for all foods (agriculture, processed food, etc.) on earth is around $10 trillion.

      So according to SpaceX, the market for AI is 2.5 larger than all the food sold on this planet.

      They're also saying that the AI market is worth roughly 10% of all global real estate.

      • f6v 50 minutes ago
        > the market for AI is 2.5 larger than all the food sold on this planet.

        It just shows how much the automation has impacted agriculture and the food industry. Sure, there're rural farms that apply 200 yo technology. But e.g. the grain production and farming are incredibly efficient at scale. So, it's not that costly for as a humanity to feed 8 billion people (at a varying level, of course).

        • TrackerFF 45 minutes ago
          Remove 20% of AI supply, and the world goes on like nothing happened.

          Remove 20% of food supply, and watch prices explode, global unrest, and famine take place.

          • zamadatix 41 minutes ago
            I don't think anyone is claiming AI and food have the same elasticity of demand, which is what this really talks to, but, after a claim the AI market is 26 trillion dollars... I wouldn't be surprised if someone did.
          • zoom6628 29 minutes ago
            We could remove 100% of world AI supply and humanity would not be worse off. It is still additive and in areas of generally indeterminate value except in hype.

            Reasoning and RAG is amazing already and is a productivity gain but I'm yet to be convinced GenAI is anything but a slop machine.

            #startflamingmenow

      • bryanlarsen 39 minutes ago
        Food is worth a lot more than that. If the alternative was starvation, we would pay approximately all the money for food. By that metric food is worth more than $100T. The difference between $100T and $10T is called the consumer surplus, one of the largest benefits of a free market economy.

        AI might eventually provide $26T worth of value, but if it captures anywhere close to that amount of revenue that'll indicate a failure of the free market economy. Competition and open source will have failed and the oligarchy has won.

        (Either that, or inflation will have made $26T a relatively smaller number).

      • darkerside 47 minutes ago
        I'm sure the finance market is much larger as well
    • ActionHank 12 minutes ago
      Always fun to remember when calculating TAM - something like 85 - 90% of the world earns less than $1000 usd per month.

      The math don’t math here, there literally aren’t enough people to afford this and businesses will go under the more people are displaced for gainful employment.

    • firecall 39 minutes ago
      Where is that quote from?

      I can’t see it in the article when reading on my phone?

    • Aeolun 59 minutes ago
      > This is unhinged.

      Just like the investors :D

    • emsign 1 hour ago
      Marks believe anything the con tells them as long as it's promising big money ROI.
    • re-thc 1 hour ago
      > sees an addressable market for AI products

      Well if you start adding AI powered to "everything" then it is possible.

      Soon you'll have AI face cream and AI donuts.

    • thinkingtoilet 22 minutes ago
      In a sensible world, this would be considered lying to investors and be prosecuted.
    • aaron695 27 minutes ago
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  • glenngillen 40 minutes ago
    Back in the early days of Heroku (when I worked there), we were all fairly deep into the Ruby community. Ruby has never had a great reputation for performance, but... it seemed like almost a running joke that any time you went down a rabbit-hole trying to understand some weird performance issue you'd eventually discover that @tmm1 had already identified the same issue months earlier, patched it in core, and given an hour long talk about it somewhere. Despite his ability and willingness talk publicly about quite deep technical topics Aman always came across as an incredibly quiet and humble in person. Every Ruby developer has benefited from his attention to finding and fixing performance issues. I'm sure the same can probably said for every GitHub user (where he worked for years).

    Congrats to the entire Cursor team! I don't know all of their stories, but I do like to smile and celebrate a little when I see people who are often hidden in the shadows quietly making things x% better for all of millions of us every day for many years getting reward for that effort.

  • barredo 1 hour ago
    >> SpaceX told investors during the IPO process that it sees an addressable market for AI products worth $26 trillion, roughly equivalent to U.S. GDP.

    I very much can imagine a future documentary in a few years. With the host asking the audience: "Where were the signs?"

  • roxolotl 1 hour ago
    Wow they are using 80% of what they raised 4 days ago to buy an IDE. Absolutely incredible.
    • ActionHank 20 minutes ago
      Not even an IDE. A workflow built on top of an opensource editor.
    • irjustin 1 hour ago
      Unsure if you're serious, but if you are, they wouldn't buy with cash, at least not the vast majority of it.
      • blitzar 1 hour ago
        Its an all stonks deal.
    • HarHarVeryFunny 35 minutes ago
      • rchaud 28 minutes ago
        Guess Musk figured out that paying all cash to acquire something was a bad idea.
        • HarHarVeryFunny 23 minutes ago
          Sure - why use cash when you can use bits of paper instead?

          I'd expect more of the same to come - good way to lock in some of this crazy SpaceX valuation by converting it into something with a bit more inherent worth.

          Tesla next?

    • bsenftner 1 hour ago
      Money laundry
    • aenis 1 hour ago
      Nope. They pay with the monopoly money, dilluting the shareholders.
  • yanis_t 47 minutes ago
    $60b is crazy.

    Cursor is an extension for VS Code, a harness and a bunch of prompts.

    They have their own model (Composer 2) which is based Kimi K2.5, but I don't think SpaceX would be interested in it.

    If they need a harness for grok, they could fork PI.

    What are they after for here? Customer base? Talent?

    • hagbarth 9 minutes ago
      Well. $60b in bloated stock is probably much better than the $10b cash penalty for not going through with the deal.
    • pietz 38 minutes ago
      It's a crazy number especially since Cursor feels kinda dead. Few thoughts from the other side:

      - xAI needs the coding related data to compete with Claude Code and Codex

      - Recent progress with Composer 2.5 seems promising given the size

      - The may get a comeback on the smaller than Enterprise battle field now that the other two got so expensive

      - The way that Elon set up this entire process was quite genius. They locked in this option before, and now after the gains through the IPO, it feels almost like a discount, lol

    • BoumTAC 26 minutes ago
      Compose 2.5 is the default model in Grok Build. And it's quite incredible. It's comparable to Opus 4.7 but faster and incredibly cheaper .
    • 827a 3 minutes ago
      You clearly have not used Cursor lately. It’s substantially more than all that. It’s not a VSCode extension anymore.
    • dubeye 24 minutes ago
      shocked that an engineer would not mention user numbers or revenue growth in their analysis
    • ArtificlObstcl 33 minutes ago
      Usage data.
    • TimByte 1 minute ago
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  • PUSH_AX 1 hour ago
    In related news, I'm open to suggestions for coding agent harnesses.
    • agentcooper 11 minutes ago
      At Poolside we have pool (https://github.com/poolsideai/pool), it runs in a terminal and you can use it with any Agent Client Protocol compatible agent (https://agentclientprotocol.com/get-started/agents).
    • _pdp_ 1 hour ago
      Since you've asked, I am working on one but it is super early days so I am just posting it here for feedback.

      https://zot.im

      The idea is to make it fully autonomous so it is not really something that is meant to be constantly prompted and it is unlikely to fit most workflows but the idea is to make something that fits the future - not the present.

    • mackenney 1 hour ago
      Happy pi.dev user here, give it a try! I would say that's kind of the "vim experience" but for harnesses: has the minimum, if you want something more you extend it :)
    • oneshtein 48 minutes ago
    • Klathmon 47 minutes ago
      I've been pretty damn happy with codex and vscode.

      Between the codex app, cli, and vscode extension there are options for most ways of working

      • heisgone 26 minutes ago
        Codex UI is great. It just make sense for an AI tool.
      • jofzar 37 minutes ago
        Been very impressed by the codex app tbh
    • dizhn 22 minutes ago
      Paseo with opencode backing.
    • syngrog66 55 minutes ago
      vim
  • itsmarcelg 2 hours ago
    These are the SEC filings that confirms the merger:

    Announcement of Cursor acquisition to SpaceX

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026...

    Details of Acquisition

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026...

  • LgWoodenBadger 4 minutes ago
    Nonsense like this reminds me of the following quote from the 1999 Thomas Crown Affair movie:

    “Have you figured out what you're going to say to your board when they realize you paid me thirty million more than others were offering?”

    In the span of <20 years we’re talking about a sale price 3 orders of magnitude larger than a minor plot point of a hollywood movie.

  • greenoracle9 41 minutes ago
    $60B is a huge price, but buying Cursor gives Musk something xAI has struggled to build: a popular coding product with real developer and enterprise adoption. It may be the fastest way to catch up in AI coding. The real question is whether SpaceX ownership improves Cursor or drives its users away.
  • tippa123 1 hour ago
    Not sure how this closes the gap to Anthropic and OpenAI for xAI. Is there a play that I am overlooking?

    If this acquisition goes through the only winner here is Cursor, especially since CC and Codex are chipping away at Cursor very hard!

  • tippa123 58 minutes ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47855293

    Initial announcement back in April

  • dolkycape 1 hour ago
    That's a lot of money for a buggy product that is at best slightly better than its competitors.
  • chvid 32 minutes ago
    Not bad for a VS Code fork and a Chinese LLM fine tune.
  • tptacek 1 hour ago
    For what it's worth, this was effectively announced months ago, and at this valuation.
    • rvz 53 minutes ago
      But they (SpaceX) could have backed out of the deal at any given time as they had the option to (and be required to pay the 10B break up fee). Nobody knew what would happen at the time.

      This announcement is a definitive agreement of the acquisition at that $60B valuation.

      • tptacek 5 minutes ago
        Sure, not saying there's no news hook here.
  • vicentwu 9 minutes ago
    It's absurd. let's mark it down.
  • thm 1 hour ago
    That’s two zeros too many.
  • AtNightWeCode 9 minutes ago
    $60B. Wow. Congrats to Anysphere. But $60B. That is just a ludicrous price.
  • mDyJzDPmBdG 2 hours ago
    Wasn't that already announced few weeks ago, only with deal going through depending on Cursor future stock price?
    • dockerd 1 hour ago
      That was future option, now they are purchasing it.
    • xiphias2 1 hour ago
      They needed to raise money for the purchase, they just did it (raising from public market)
  • aenis 1 hour ago
    Out of curiosity, anyone here still using cursor?
    • warmedcookie 46 minutes ago
      I use CC/Codex/Cursor.

      CC is mostly my default for large tasks / features (ex. Plan > execute plan ) Biggest gripe with Claude Code is that it is painfully slow relative to the other two.

      Cursor for small stuff like bug fixes since it has a lot of models to choose from. I love the review/ diff / checkpoint features. It's planning feature is on par with CC. I'd probably use Cursor as primary driver if it had better cost efficiency. Next version or two of Composer may fill that gap in cost/quality/speed.

      Codex isn't allowed at my work, but I use it for personal projects. It has the best balance of quality / cost / speed even if it's planner is poor and quite frankly the codex harness needs to catch up with the other two.

      CC for quality / cost. Cursor for quality / speed. Codex for balance of the 3.

    • aabdi 51 minutes ago
      composer is competitive with around opus 4.5 in feeling?

      largely lags behind opus4.7/gpt5.4, but is respectable, and generally outperforms the glm/qwen equivalents anecdotally despite benchmarks.

      fails to follow instructions more often, and is less code critical, but performs okay if you can decompose the task to smaller problem spaces. i.e. only do manual review, only do typechecking, only do specific component. etc

      https://artificialanalysis.ai/agents/coding-agents?coding-ag...

      • senordevnyc 25 minutes ago
        I agree, Composer 2.5 is really good. I use it for all kinds of small tasks, and really for any kind of first pass at debugging, answering questions about the codebase, pulling data for reports, etc. It’s fast, pretty accurate, and basically free.
    • yanis_t 44 minutes ago
      Never did. Having been using Github Copilot since its launch (as autocomplete, they have a Vim plugin) and claude code for agentic coding.
    • blitzar 1 hour ago
      Co-Pilot -> Cursor -> Claude Code.

      I think my relationship with cursor was the shortest of all.

      • Aeolun 57 minutes ago
        Cursor was really good for like 2-3 months. It felt like magic compared to Copilot.

        Claude Code is like... I dunno, something better than magic because it actually exists.

    • senordevnyc 27 minutes ago
      Yes, it’s my daily driver for building the saas I run full-time. I’m not happy about this news.

      I like the ability to switch between any models, Composer 2.5 is really solid, I like having my agents coworking in the IDE with me, the plan mode is great, Cloud Agents are great, especially with slack, linear, web, etc integrations. I routinely tag an error report in slack and Cursor fires up a Composer 2.5 cloud agent that has readonly db access, access to error reporting, etc, and it can triage the issue, issue a PR, and tag me in slack.

      The only thing I’ve felt like I’m missing out on is the subsidies of the CC/Codex subscriptions, but it seems like that is rapidly eroding anyway.

    • AndreyK1984 1 hour ago
      good enough for simple tasks.
  • transitKnox 1 hour ago
    Well that's a lot of money. They must see this as a distribution pipeline for Grok?
  • chinathrow 44 minutes ago
    Is this Elon listening to Pieter Levels?
    • manwithopinions 18 minutes ago
      Pieter is so dumb. All he seems to do is post comparisons between the wonderful U.S. and dying EU that are completely wrong. If Elon is listening to Pieter, pray for Elon.
  • kypro 54 minutes ago
    $60b is genuinely insane. Very high from a P/S ratio perspective, and for a product with arguably no defensible moat.

    Congrats to the Cursor team though... One of the most crazy exit stories ever – 4 years to a $60b buyout. Damn.

  • TrackerFF 1 hour ago
    Congrats to the founders, arguably the first true AI-wrapper billionaires? 0 to multigenerational wealth in 4 years is impressive. It is crazy how much more wealth per user that can be created in the AI-space, compared to other products.
    • Hendrikto 36 minutes ago
      It is crazy how much more wealth per user that can be created in the tulip space, compared to other products.
      • 4er_transform 3 minutes ago
        Surprising how tech people on a tech forum are some of the biggest Luddites. Maybe it’s because the creative destruction is coming to your industry this time?
  • polnurfer 40 minutes ago
    That is very hinged
  • tomwphillips 1 hour ago
    Definitely not a bubble.
  • TimByte 4 minutes ago
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