What's slowing down the AI buildout

(worksinprogress.news)

27 points | by droidjj 3 hours ago

10 comments

  • onion2k 1 hour ago
    The primary bottleneck to this growth is the availability of electricity.

    The bottleneck for building some AI datacentres and switching them on is electricity, sure, but that's not what drives growth. There also needs to be demand for the additional capacity; people need to be waiting for capacity to catch up so they can do the useful work that grows [society|GDP|something] that they aren't doing right now.

    There's also very likely to be diminishing returns from additional capacity if we're near or over the limit of productive use. And there's the opportunity cost of what could have been done with that [money|land|electricity].

    This is a much more complicated system than "people say they need more AI -> build datacenter -> power datacenter -> magical growth!"

    • user43928 4 minutes ago
      I cannot currently access Fable class models, I am out of usage credits.

      Anthropic is removing these larger models from personal plans at the end of the week to focus on selling it to enterprise users.

      Putting these more intelligent new models into the hands of more people seems very worthwhile to me.

    • pitched 58 minutes ago
      In the Innovation Adoption Curve, we are absolutely beyond the Early Adopters phase and possibly the Early Majority. The growth rates necessarily have to start trending down because there’s no one left to sell to.
  • bob1029 16 minutes ago
    Project Kilby is probably the most intelligent approach to this problem so far.

    https://www.chevron.com/newsroom/2026/q2/chevron-signs-20-ye...

    The idea is to bring the data centers, power generators and energy supply together in the ~same physical space so the only thing you have to transmit is data. Moving energy is way more expensive than moving information.

    • fragmede 11 minutes ago
      The ocean tidal power data center idea was a neat one.
  • 9cb14c1ec0 54 minutes ago
    Question for the experts: does the power crunch mean that AI hyperscalers will turn off previous generation GPU datacenters to free up power for their new Vera Rubin GPUs?
    • pitched 50 minutes ago
      I think it’s more likely we’ll raise prices until demand lowers enough to match supply.
      • linkregister 43 minutes ago
        Open models enforce a floor on prices, unless overall compute is so constrained that those prices rise also.
  • pitched 1 hour ago
    TFA isn’t about consumer usage, it is about training the next generation models. An interesting thought I heard recently is that a SOTA model has about the same parameters as the number of synapses in a Golden Retriever’s brain that are not dedicated to biological processes like breathing. Most of that should be wrapped in double quotes, don’t take it literally! But that number is about 100x lower than the same synapses in a human brain.

    If the next order of magnitude costs 40B, I wonder if it’s even possible to get to the one after.

  • ullunaam 1 hour ago
    Crusoe bypasses the grid completely by leveraging old batteries and wasted resources to power compute.
  • jqpabc123 2 hours ago
    ‘the abundance of [AI] will be limited by the abundance of energy’.

    And the reason current US policy opposes clean, renewable energy is --- purely political.

  • neuroelectron 1 hour ago
    Maybe it's the same thing I heard it was six months ago when it was determined that more hardware was sold than twice the nation's supply of electric.
  • 0xbadcafebee 54 minutes ago
    This is part of why the AI bubble will burst. The only way to make the profit numbers backing the loans to AI companies is to get increased capacity, and the capacity requires energy, and the energy won't arrive in time, only partly due to all the factors here, and partly because building transmission and generation is speculative and can fail for a number of reasons.

    US administration can try to pull a China and basically remove all regulatory barriers (following existing playbook of "do whatever we want and wait a year or two for the courts to catch up and stop us"). It'll create havoc that will make people very upset (more so than the people that already protest DCs in their backyards). But even then, it's construction on varied terrain and property over long distances; you can't predict exactly how that will go. Triple the estimated timeline and that is probably doable, but current AI investment likely can't wait that long, unless somebody can pull additional hundreds of billions out of a hat to extend lines of credit or a ponzi-scheme-esque paying-creditors-with-newly-lent-money. In that time the market will realize the hype was hype, the gains were modest, they'll start divesting, and then the house comes down.

    One way around that might be to deploy thousands more gas turbines and make rural air quality look like 2010 Beijing. It will probably happen if things get really tight, and we'll see how the current administrations's base responds; if they stick it out, the market gets a reprieve.

  • rayiner 1 hour ago
    We should have been building more nuclear. We’re not going to upgrade civilization with windmills and putting on sweaters. Think of how much power we’ll need for millions of robots?
    • linkregister 39 minutes ago
      Unit economics for renewables coupled with storage are excellent. I agree we should reform nuclear regulation to allow new nuclear plants to pencil out. I disagree that we should discount the value of renewables.
      • vasco 14 minutes ago
        Solar and wind take up a bunch of space and generate a bunch of waste after the panels are decommissioned, plus the wind generators are ruining every single landscape we have. With 5 nuclear stations per country you could cleanup so much of Europe.
    • OKRainbowKid 1 hour ago
      I don't see how expensive energy helps us "upgrade civilization".
      • rayiner 1 hour ago
        Its only expensive because its been regulated to death. In terms of potential energy output in a given area its tops.
        • vrganj 20 minutes ago
          It's been regulated "to death" because it's responsible for some of the worst man-made catastrophes of all time and has made large swaths of land uninhabitable for ~forever.

          Move fast and break things this is not.

      • lionkor 1 hour ago
        Unlimited energy for 200 years is a good step, no?
  • cobbzilla 1 hour ago
    Cheap ubiquitous distributed power systems will change the world in many weird ways. Watch small modular nuclear offer home installation for ~$reasonable and getting cheaper every year.

    Fast forward 20 years from the advent of essentially infinite energy results in WWIII and a new “Great Detente” but only after all the assholes have wreaked all the havoc they can.

    There are dark days ahead but ultimately a brighter future. Sucks to live through that transition phase though.

    • walrus01 1 hour ago
      I'd like to see a well reasoned plan to install small modular nuclear power at peoples houses that prevents the mentally ill, criminally reckless or terrorist minded people from cracking them open and obtaining access to the isotopes.
      • pitched 54 minutes ago
        There isn’t much need to extract isotopes if you have an actual working reactor, is there? Just use that as-is to cause whatever damage.
        • walrus01 17 minutes ago
          From a strictly red team threat analysis perspective, if you have an extremely safe working reactor that can't be made to melt down, no, the reactor can't be used to hurt much that is in the same location as the reactor. If you are able to get the isotopes out and start spreading them around or making a dirty bomb type thing (where the explosion just serves the purpose of throwing the isotopes around), that could be pretty catastrophic.
      • cobbzilla 57 minutes ago
        have you never visited a rural neighborhood? or an affluent neighborhood?

        there are still many neighborhoods where people leave their doors unlocked because it is actually that safe. not every location is rife with criminal activity, and many are well protected.

        • walrus01 42 minutes ago
          Serious question, do you actually think that if you distribute millions of small nuclear reactors to homeowners geographically spread out around all of North America, 0.000% of them will be dangerously mentally ill, criminally reckless or inclined to terrorist like activity? Based on the frequency and number of mass shooter type incidents, (or like, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians) this would be a very naive view.

          It doesn't require a criminally minded 3rd party coming onto someone's "safe" property to do something horrible with a sawzall and/or oxy-acetylene cutting torch.

          • cobbzilla 35 minutes ago
            have you never heard of tamper-proof containers? mess with it, it’s useless and you go to jail for a long time?

            Plus, they’re ubiquitous, you don’t know who has one, max damage is minimal even worst case — go fish!

            • cobbzilla 19 minutes ago
              We have microwave ovens. They’re pretty safe. Imagine something as safe as that. We can do it.

              But I can’t disagree that it’s more exciting to imagine terror dreams.

            • walrus01 21 minutes ago
              That's a very optimistic view of humanity that I can't say I share. If you give a sufficiently motivated person enough isolation and time, they can cut into just about anything. And possibly deal with cleaning up the results of any internal tamperproof countermeasures. In a world that contains people like the Las Vegas mass shooter or those who conducted the 2015 attacks in Paris, handing out isotopes to the ordinary person seems like a recipe for disaster.

              We live in a world where multiple people are killed every year by tipping vending machines over onto themselves and you propose to make nuclear reactors a mass market consumer good that goes in everyone's garage?

        • yehoshuapw 40 minutes ago
          While that is true, if there is something worthwhile enough in a far and safe location - it won't stay that way
          • cobbzilla 27 minutes ago
            It’s everywhere. It’s in the shed in your backyard. Nobody knows it’s there. Lots of people have them. It’s an appliance.

            The worst thing an evildoer can do is blow up your own house and the few around it. and no one does that because you go to jail forever.

            The worst thing you can do is let it melt down, which means it quietly shuts itself down.

            • walrus01 19 minutes ago
              > The worst thing an evildoer can do is blow up your own house and the few around it.

              No, they can take the isotopes out and dump it into your local water supply. Or if they're suicidal and the isotopes have been encapsulated in some sort of tamperproof system, grid the whole thing down to granulated powder using less than $20,000 of power tools (disregarding their own health and the entire nearby area, of course) and then dump it into the local water supply.

              • fragmede 4 minutes ago
                If someone evil has access to the water supply, is radioactive material the worst they could do? that'll, what, give some people cancer which is really bad but it'll take a while to get them. If people wanted to be shitheads, they could already dump arsenic or LSD into the water supply, or any number of others things. that are already available to them right now! Have you personally tested your taps chlorine or flouride or lead levels recently?
            • TheOtherHobbes 15 minutes ago
              You're seriously proposing that a country with regular mass-shootings should give everyone a device that can cause a radioactive meltdown or a small explosion?
              • fragmede 12 minutes ago
                We already let people have cars and those things are crazy dangerous! No one should be allowed anything, ever, until we bubble wrap everything in the world to be perfectly safe!
                • walrus01 5 minutes ago
                  Well, we already have strict background checks, licensing and regulations for a scenario such as if a person wants start a home based business manufacturing and storing C4, Semtex or similar at their rural property. If the idea is to start handing out nuclear reactors for peoples' houses, the possible damage that could be done is far greater. No matter how well packaged it is or designed to be consumer friendly.
    • hdgvhicv 20 minutes ago
      Why would I need “home nuclear” when I’m already self sufficient in power in the winter with 15k of solar and battery, let alone the summer.