How to Survive Boiling Water

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249 points | by cainxinth 4 days ago

15 comments

  • carschno 3 hours ago
    People interested in this: if you are ever in Amsterdam, I recommend to visit the Micropia museum: https://www.artis.nl/en/artis-micropia

    Among many stunning things, they have a shelf full of foods and drinks (behind glasses) with age labels, ranging from days to years. It is fascinating to see how they evolve over time.

  • thih9 2 hours ago
    In case anyone else is curious about the current status:

    > The Milk was declared missing on August 20th, 2022.

    > The dorm’s extended mailing list of over 300 current students, alumni, and other assorted Random-adjacent humans was contacted, twice.

    > In the end, no Milk.

    https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/guest-post-the-random-...

  • tippa123 3 hours ago
    A great read from the author. It reminded me of my previous life as a bioprocess engineer, where I led investigations into biologically contaminated batches in biotech. It was fun stuff and I still remember some of the best advice I received from an Executive Vice President to never underestimate a microbe.

    On this subject, I once led an investigation in which Bacillus cereus somehow survived in situ media sterilisation for 30 minutes and >121.1°C, despite there being no cold spots. At the end we realised it was the bioburden load of a media component and water temperature used during compounding.

    • fnands 34 minutes ago
      > it was the bioburden load of a media component and water temperature used during compounding.

      In English, please ;-)

  • donkeyboy 4 hours ago
    That was a fun read. The author has a really good storytelling style.

    I dont understand why the cold brew test had fewer bacteria than the steeped teas. If the bacteria are shielded in spores, shouldnt it be expected that they have the same amount of bacteria?

    • brabel 4 hours ago
      I think it’s just that the bacteria in the hotter container woke up to a warmer, nicer environment. Warm temperatures are much better for bacterial growth. While it was too hot they didn’t seem to care at all since their spores protect them completely from damage.
    • nchmy 3 hours ago
      Agreed - I really enjoyed the writing. I'd have normally skimmed for the conclusion but ended up reading it all. Shame that that's so rare these days.
    • Otterly99 4 hours ago
      They could have some coating that make them stick to the content of the tea bag, basically affecting their solubility.
  • peterabbitcook 4 hours ago
    So under most brewing conditions a nonzero amount of this microbe survive, but that count is 3 orders of magnitude lower what might be termed a “therapeutic dose?”

    What even is a good experimental design for probiotic tea? Brew -> agitate in hydrochloric acid & digestive enzymes for X minutes -> mix with billions of existing gut microbes (that may kill this microbe or out-compete it for resources) and incubate at body temperature -> count the number of new colonies of this particular microbe?

    • zbentley 3 hours ago
      The author does mention that a synthetic digestive system was used in another experiment, so you may be correct!
  • weberer 2 hours ago
    Spore forming bacterium are notoriously resistant to most ways of killing them. There's even a species that can resist radiation amounts that are 1000x the dose needed to kill a human.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinococcus_radiodurans

    • tippa123 1 hour ago
      > Clues for future search of extremophile microbial life on Mars

      That paragraph is pretty extraordinary with what is being claimed.

      Crazy to think that anything could survive 25 kGy.

      • k1ko 1 hour ago
        25 kgy, not great, not terrible.
        • tippa123 1 hour ago
          What would you consider as great?
          • dd8601fn 49 minutes ago
            They’re referencing the 3.6 roentgen meme, originally from the HBO series Chernobyl.
            • tippa123 43 minutes ago
              Well played k1ko :D
  • cratermoon 4 days ago
    This almost throwaway line from the article struck me as an example of what we can do with technology, if we choose to put our billions of dollars towards it: "I downloaded the BC30 genome".
    • roughly 8 minutes ago
      It's a shame it became such a weird political football, because the story of the mRNA COVID vaccine is absolutely in the "we are as gods" pantheon - the virus was sequenced, and 3 days later two separate labs had sequences for the vaccine. Phase 1 trials began within 3 months. To go from "weird novel pathogen" to "enough engineered vaccine candidate to start Phase 1 trials" is some legitimate sci-fi shit.
    • creaktive 4 hours ago
      What’s even more shocking to me: one can “3D-print” downloaded genome, too! What a time to be alive.
  • cainxinth 3 hours ago
    Learning that MIT has an ancient bottle of rotting milk reminded me of my 9th grade science teacher. He had been teaching for decades and had a tremendously messy little office attached to his classroom. The pièce de résistance of his menagerie of scientific oddities was a large fish tank filled with many strata of mottled goos. I asked what it was and he said it used to be an ordinary aquarium, filled with fish and water, and he just left it alone for 20 years.
    • klvino 44 minutes ago
      Playing the long-game version of oil production
    • NopIdoN 18 minutes ago
      I bet one of them tastes fantastic
  • triceratops 1 hour ago
    Fascinating post. Why did the author steep the tea at home?

    "It was at this point I realized I needed a sterile-ish way to transport the steeped tea and tea bags from my house to the lab."

    Was steeping the tea at home somehow relevant to the experiment?

  • odyssey7 4 hours ago
    Another organism that survives pasteurization is paratuberculosis, in milk. It is commonly found in commercial dairy herds. In my opinion, this is alarming.

    Many consider it to be a candidate for the cause of Crohn’s disease. Johne’s disease, which occurs in a subset of cattle infected by paratuberculosis, bears many similarities to Crohn’s disease.

    When Crohn’s disease was first described, it was believed to be an intestinal tuberculosis, though tests seemed to counter this idea; to this day, it remains difficult to test humans for paratuberculosis infections.

    [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07400...

    [1] https://www.journalofdairyscience.org/article/S0022-0302(19)...

    • singpolyma3 3 hours ago
      More good reasons to avoid the expensive poison water called milk
      • GJim 2 hours ago
        As if millions of mammals suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
      • PcChip 1 hour ago
        can you explain why you feel this way, instead of making radical claims without saying why?
  • OnACoffeeBreak 4 hours ago
    Cool story with an interesting ending (to me at least).

    Just a tiny nit... Should "Brewed as directed for 4 minutes in boiling water." be "Brewed as directed for 4 minutes in boiled water." Was the tea sitting in water that was boiling or placed in water that just boiled? The later is how I brew my teas.

    • decimalenough 4 hours ago
      Left in previously boiled water for 4 min. We can deduce this from the second sample, which simulates forgetting your tea bag in the mug for 15 min.
    • gblargg 4 hours ago
      Isn't boiled water what goes up into the air?
      • nwatson 34 minutes ago
        The boiled water (assuming even heating throughout) is what reaches boiling temperature, 100°C, which is the entire pot. Additional energy applied to the pot/water after that point turns at some rate the already-at-100°C-boiled-water into water vapor/gas/steam. If you stop heating before all the already-at-100°C-boiled-water disappear, you have left what is or will have been "boiled water".
  • inigyou 5 hours ago
    I boiled water today and survived.
    • creaktive 4 hours ago
      Interesting… did you boil the water with you inside of it?
    • nrclark 1 hour ago
      Cooked.
  • kevinwang 1 hour ago
    Very, very well written and enjoyable to read!
  • nekusar 55 minutes ago
    This is kinda disgusting but I think applies to this discussion.

    Blue cheese. Its living mold. I think it tastes good.

    BUT.. when I eat it, I notice a few days later that my excrement smells more like blue cheese as well. My guess is that I'm inoculating my own digestive tract with blue cheese molds.

    Another mishap happened with my cat too. I gave her some beef from our supper. Some of the gorgonzola blue cheese sauce got on it, but I thought I cut and kept the blue cheese off. Nope, I didnt, not enough. She had diarrhea for the next 2 days cause it wrecked with her digestive tract.

    Maybe this will help a microbiologist.

    • NopIdoN 0 minutes ago
      thanks now I'm imagining you farting spore clouds