The little-known winstart.bat batch file

(devblogs.microsoft.com)

68 points | by ingve 4 days ago

6 comments

  • EvanAnderson 2 hours ago
    The architecture the DOS-based windows line, and particularly the versions that had the virtual machine manager and ran in 32-bit protected mode, is such an interesting crufty archaeological dig. The OS's are bristling with hacks to make things work in resource-constrained environments, all while having ridiculous amounts of compatibility. There's a certain perverse elegance in it.

    NT, being a "real" OS (with memory protection, kernel/user separation, access control, etc), seems so much more obvious (and boring) in its design compared to the earlier DOS-based Windows series. The "adults" came in and showed the kids how to make a grown-up operating system.

    I don't miss the instability of the older DOS-based Windows OS's, for sure. I wouldn't want to go back there. For their time, though, they really did punch above their weight.

    Edit: I didn't mean "adults" in any negative sense. I think MSFT took advantage of an opportunity for some very senior and opinionated talent.

    • smackeyacky 2 hours ago
      I don’t know about that “adults” comment. Microsoft grew their operating system up from a very low base where the “adults” moved theirs down. For most users, windows NT was ridiculous overkill.

      At the time most users and businesses didn’t own a PC that could do the virtualisation tricks required by windows 3 (o windows 2 386). A lot of places still had XT class machines right up to the end of the 1980s.

      So the Microsoft guys had a pretty complex landscape in which Windows had to operate and they managed a fantastically complicated solution. They were definitely adulting hard during that time.

      • EvanAnderson 1 hour ago
        I didn't mean to imply there was something "less" about the talent creating the DOS-based Windows OS. I think it's a marvel of engineering for economy and constraints.

        I think NT was a means to an end (government contracts requiring a "Rainbow book"-qualified OS). It was a long time before the DOS-based Windows OS lost its position as the consumer / business offering. I think that shows MSFT knew what they had in that legacy code and leveraged it for great profit for a long time.

    • pudgywalsh 2 hours ago
      > The "adults" came in and showed the kids how to make a grown-up operating system

      Oh please — it's easy when you have the luxury of starting from scratch with unlimited budget.

      DOS-based Windows had to both retain backwards compatibility with DOS applications and all their quirks and coexist with them at the same time.

      The amount of hacks necessary to pull that off is an accomplishment unto itself.

      Remember you couldn't really play games on NT-based Windows until Windows XP came out and even then DOS games were pretty much out until DOSbox came along.

      Guess those "adults" had to stick with Solitaire and Hearts.

      • jasonfarnon 1 hour ago
        Definitely. I think the way microsoft brought their user base along between 1990 and 2000 from Dos to 32-bit protected mode was beautifully respectful of their users. To me it's the standard for how to change a user's preferences (maybe for social change in general). I just used Dos or win16 apps less and less over the decade and eventually my use dropped to zero. At no time did I feel coerced to leave behind what I already invested in, I just came to appreciate the alternative they were offering (the opposite of a forced OTA update). By the 2000s I could already sense a slight change in tone with how strongly they were pushing those service packs for windows xp.
      • ahartmetz 1 hour ago
        Windows games worked great on Windows 2000! There were officially inofficial packages of DirectX and such - I never had any trouble with them.

        I think DOS games also worked.

        • kridsdale1 1 hour ago
          Wow, ancient memory unlocked. Grabbing and ripping the DirectX releases. Word.
  • layer8 53 minutes ago
    Here’s hoping that we’ll have the technology to digitize human brains before Raymond Chen dies.
  • kmeisthax 17 minutes ago
    It's funny how Windows 9x (and the 386-enhanced versions of 3.x) used "VM" to refer to DOS specifically. The legacy of real mode software was so towering even back then that Intel had to build a mode to virtualize those apps specifically, despite x86 not being able to virtualize protected mode kernels until decades later. In what other CPU architecture do you get such specific amount of privilege isolation?
  • joshuat 2 hours ago
    Always enjoy a Raymond Chen article
  • 1970-01-01 2 hours ago
    WINSTART.BAT is just "AUTOEXEC.BAT for Windows"

    The extra diagrams to state how it all works were extra.

    • layer8 50 minutes ago
      It’s not obvious that what WINSTART.BAT loads wouldn’t be available in DOS prompts started from Windows.
  • fragmede 2 hours ago
    Pictures are worth a thousand words, and oh man those diagrams. I could have used them back then!