Stealth Model

(openrouter.ai)

45 points | by mtokmak06 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • walrus01 1 hour ago
    I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?!

    In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

    • arcanemachiner 16 minutes ago
      All of my non-work AI coding is that open-source, so I'm happy to feed my data into the machine.

      It's a win for me: my code goes into the training data, and my sessions are fed into future training data, making the model stronger at the type of work I do.

      • Fnoord 5 minutes ago
        [delayed]
  • fedpost 56 minutes ago
    It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse.
    • knowaveragejoe 49 minutes ago
      I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.
      • walrus01 48 minutes ago
        I wonder if they're doing A/B testing or something similar in what 'variant' of the model is served, then examining what people use it for once they run into some guardrails.
      • fedpost 48 minutes ago
        Try: "What happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989"
        • knowaveragejoe 39 minutes ago
          It gave a very detailed overview, talked about potential deaths involved. I asked for a list of criticisms of the CCP and it gave what I think was a fair list, mainly that they're an authoritarian uniparty and have a track record of various human rights abuses
    • walrus01 52 minutes ago
      Rumors from other sources based on how it behaves it's mimo v3
  • AnodicElegy 1 hour ago
    "Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..."

    I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.

    • redrix 1 hour ago
      Research, analytics, usage trends, etc. All still incredibly valuable for a company building and tuning an LLM; even if the data itself isn’t directly used in the training set.
      • jrumbut 9 minutes ago
        I am genuinely confused. Are they telling me this because they expect me to be reassured that this anonymous organization is not using my prompts or are they saying "don't expect this particular model to improve as you use it?"
    • Fnoord 12 minutes ago
      Stealth Model, is this a CTF?

      LLM needs to become more transparent, not less. Hence, this idea (and trend, possibly) is disgusting.

      How can we even possibly verify 'Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training...'? What if the training is done, but used internally?

  • raincole 10 minutes ago
    Can someone enlighten me? I honestly don't get what it is or what it's for. Surely OpenRouter knows who the providers are?
  • babelfish 1 hour ago
  • dozerly 1 hour ago
    Yea, nice try there North Korea.
    • walrus01 1 hour ago
      Democratic Peoples Republic of KV cache (DPRK)
    • swasheck 52 minutes ago
      the u.s. is friends with then now. haven’t you heard?
  • raybb 1 hour ago
    When a model is free like this what kind of rate limits are there?
    • x312 41 minutes ago
      I believe its the same as free models in general on Openrouter, 1k requests per day for accounts that have some spend history.
  • firloop 1 hour ago
    I'm against stealth models—we should know what it is and see a model card with a list of safety considerations. Bit ridiculous of a practice to me.
  • zb3 1 hour ago
    We can know if this is Anthropic/OpenAI by testing the "guardrails" - absurd guardrails = it's them, reasonable/no guardrails = Chinese models..

    (as a bonus - thinking forever = GLM)

    • stogot 1 hour ago
      “ reasonable/no guardrails = Chinese models..”

      So conforming to CCP political discourse and propaganda is reasonable now?

      https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-4.7/discussions/5

      • janalsncm 58 minutes ago
        I would imagine the number of people who choose Claude code or Codex because it gives a political opinion they like rather than producing quality code is pretty close to zero.
        • jLaForest 13 minutes ago
          I choose not to use Grok because I don't want to hear about a made up white genocide in South Africa...
      • zb3 1 hour ago
        As someone who used AI to build tools that help me with reverse engineering, I'm not particularly concerned about that political discourse - I could even use a model from the DPRK that constantly praises Kim Jong Un, as long as it would not refuse to help me because of "cybersecurity risk" - this stupid refusal is indeed a problem for me.