Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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39 points | by inputmice 1 hour ago

8 comments

  • delduca 36 minutes ago
    I was so cool when facebook, google and others used to use xmpp, at that time I used a single IM client https://adium.im
    • exe34 25 minutes ago
      I had amsn when msn and yahoo messenger were the place everybody I knew was at.
  • dewey 1 hour ago
    > Matrix reinvented the wheel as a rubber-tyred metro. On paper, it provides real benefits, such as climbing steeper inclines, which are then used to aggressively advertise and lobby local governments to buy in. But in the end, the municipality gets locked into a single vendor.

    I stumble upon Matrix from time to time, but Jabber I haven't really seen anywhere in the past decade after my internet friends moved to IRC. Are there any bigger communities still using it? Back in the days Facebook Messenger was backed by it, so maybe there's still some bigger entity using it as a backbone for something?

    • inputmice 1 hour ago
      XMPP these days often gets used as a friends-and-family style messenger (Think WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal replacement) rather than something communities would use (Discord/IRC). A lot of users of XMPP are also out of the public eye. NATO, police forces and intelligence agencies use it. The community style channels are supported though and a search engine for them can be found here: https://search.jabber.network/channels/1
      • Semaphor 55 minutes ago
        Yeah, I use it as a messenger for my wife and I.
    • svyatoslavpavl 48 minutes ago
      Jitsi Meet still runs on XMPP, Prosody handles the signaling. WhatsApp also started life as a patched ejabberd.
  • delduca 33 minutes ago
    I think Android still uses XMPP to delivery push notifications under the hood
    • inputmice 24 minutes ago
      Indeed. And on a Google-free Android phone the XMPP client Conversations can utilize its existing, permanent XMPP connection to deliver push notifications to other (mostly open-source) apps using an alternative to Google push (FCM) called UnifiedPush.

      There was a talk at FOSDEM about that.

      https://gultsch.video/w/gRGZqKKvNBvvMesyWNQzoK

  • telesilla 21 minutes ago
    Google & XMPP standards foundation develop the very useful Jingle XEP, so XMPP is linked to the history of Google Voice and whatever Google Talk/Chat turned into, maybe somehow inspiring Google Meet? Jingle was also inspirational to WebRTC signalling.
  • lnz_me 53 minutes ago
    i set up a xmpp server a few weeks ago for agent orchestration and agent to human workflows. hadn't inatalled ejabberd in a very long time but feeling right at home.
  • kogasa240p 53 minutes ago
    Its biggest issue is adoption because it's very solid otherwise and even supports stuff like screen sharing.
  • zeafoamrun 37 minutes ago
    And I haven't used XMPP for about 20 of them (sadly)
    • giancarlostoro 35 minutes ago
      There was a time where both Google Chat (whatever it was called back then I lost track) and Facebook Chat were built on it. So you might have.
      • zeafoamrun 11 minutes ago
        You're right. I know at least one company used XMPP for things like customer support chat too. So maybe I have. I just mean the last time I used it intentionally was a long time ago before I was worn down futilely trying to convince friends to use it instead of locked down chat apps.
  • Flowdalic 57 minutes ago
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