13 comments

  • foolinaround 1 hour ago
    what makes a thinktank fake? no real authors? the about page seems rather standard to me - https://hanoverinstitute.com/hanover/about

    Every thinktank has always been established to push some viewpoint.

    • rc-research 27 minutes ago
      The Guardian article states that it doesn't exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no listed physical address, no named staff and no bylines on any reports. Their terms of use reference the laws of "the state in which the Institute is established" which isn't named.

      It seems very impressive when you open it. That appears to be the point: the Israeli government's position presented as neutral, academic policy research purpose built for search LLMs to scrape and serve up in an AI overview as fact.

    • roenxi 58 minutes ago
      I have to say that is almost an excellent point - think tanks are ultimately propaganda outfits, so it is hard to have a "fake" think tank which is merely that.

      But in this case the "fake" label means that the think tank itself doesn't actually exist. The article expands on the topic with "apparently does not exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no physical address, and carries no named staff and no bylines on any of its reports".

      So if they hired some people to set up the HIPP and posted the same material it'd be a real think tank, but because the institute doesn't seem to exist at all it is a fake think tank. That isn't a comment on the writing produced.

      • aprilthird2021 46 minutes ago
        I think it's a misunderstanding of what is alleged here. It's not alleged that the website produces propaganda. It's alleged that the website is fake, designed to seem like a legitimate source of information where info about it is just not available, in order to get AI to scoop up what it writes and treat it like a legitimate source of information vs how it would treat a real think tank which has a point of view that's documented and known in the world

        A real think tank with real authors and disclosed funding sources could have something one can learn about it and its political leanings. A fake one can seem impartial due to little info existing about it (since it's fake).

        • pksebben 6 minutes ago
          That does kind of make it sound like think tanks are normally either straightforward or fundamentally honest about their agendas, which they pretty much never are. Even the ones that register and have DBAs fund reports that end up in scientific journals and publish articles through chains of obfuscatory intermediaries.

          Really only possible in broken-futureland, to have a company whose sole purpose is to get paid to have an opinion.

    • rpdillon 1 hour ago
      The main non-standard thing on that page is the attribution.

      > This material is distributed by Piro, Inc. on behalf of Havas Media Germany GmbH on behalf of the Israel Government Advertising Agency (LaPam). Additional information is available at the Department of Justice, Washington, DC

      • pjc50 34 minutes ago
        Finally a win for the German "impressum" requirement!
    • aprilthird2021 49 minutes ago
      > A pro-Israel messaging website badged with the name of a thinktank that does not exist

      > The site publishes in the name of the Hanover Institute for Public Policy, which apparently does not exist as a legal entity in any jurisdiction, has no physical address, and carries no named staff and no bylines on any of its reports.

      In the article, if you'd like to read it, it's quite informative about how AI poisoning or AI SEO will go forward in the coming years, imo

    • grumple 23 minutes ago
      Yeah but this is especially interesting because it’s Israel doing it and Israel bad. Just don’t look at the thousands of other think tanks, universities, politicians and their funding that comes from other sources.
  • NDlurker 17 minutes ago
  • sam_lowry_ 1 hour ago
    • fny 10 minutes ago
      > Much of the generated content [from Russia] was to promote a self-described “expert community” called the International Burke Institute (IBI). The IBI brand was associated with a website which was registered in February 2025. This site claimed that the Institute was based in Israel.

      This is the Russians using Israel as a cover. Not what the article linked is about.

    • shykes 26 minutes ago
      That is a completely different article about a completely different case.
  • neom 40 minutes ago
    Just in case you were as confused as I was... There appear to be two completely different fake think tanks, reported almost simultaneously.

    - International Burke Institute (IBI), Claims to be Israeli think tank, Funded by Russia. This one is ChatGPT generated promotion + fake institutional credibility.

    - Hanover Institute for Public Policy, Claims to be US think tank, Israeli government funded. This one is deliberately publishing material optimized to influence/cite in LLM answers.

    • mckirk 26 minutes ago
      (insert meme of multiple Spider-Men pointing at each other here)
    • shykes 23 minutes ago
      Hanover Institute does not claim to be a US think tank. Their about page is very clear about their affiliation.

      > This one is deliberately publishing material optimized to influence/cite in LLM answers.

      Isn't that just good SEO?

  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
  • outside1234 55 minutes ago
    This is the future and we all need to be working against it. Are there watchdogs measuring the response of each of the chat interfaces to detect this?

    PS. Our US tax dollars are being used to do this. Defund Israel.

  • inigyou 34 minutes ago
    Criticizing Israel isn't allowed on HN
    • sys32768 23 minutes ago
      870+ comments not blocked on its prior listing here eight days ago.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49337392

    • grumple 21 minutes ago
      Do you think there are more posts about Israel here, or any other non-US nation?

      I might do the math and come back. I’m certain Israel is wildly over presented in attention on HN.

    • shhhutttup 33 minutes ago
      Exactly, this shithole site is as compromised as reddit. Its sad.
  • heyitsmedotjayb 52 minutes ago
    Whatever thoughts you're having right now are antisemitic.
  • slackfan 31 minutes ago
    What's the difference between a fake thinktank and a real thinktank?
  • mikelitoris 57 minutes ago
    Who else but Quagmire
  • redsocksfan45 1 hour ago
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  • MSFT_Edging 1 hour ago
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    • CodingJeebus 1 hour ago
      On the Uyghur Genocide, we've seen aerial photography of the camps, images inside the camps, and survivors have testified before the UN on horrific accounts of abuse. Some of the most heinous stories I've ever read have come from that event, published by widely reputable outlets. Hard disagree that it's a government psyop.
      • heyitsmedotjayb 1 hour ago
        A lot of the photographs and testimony is from a single source and is very biased. Human rights abuses are massively overstated by the west in an attempt to demonize China.
  • WhereIsTheTruth 58 minutes ago
    Israel? more like the UK with the help of China