Is it safe to call print in a Python signal handler?

(iafisher.com)

38 points | by hellerve 3 days ago

8 comments

  • nine_k 3 hours ago
    POSIX signals are broken by design, alas: https://lwn.net/Articles/414618/

    Python or not, almost nothing is safe inside a signal handler.

    • knome 3 hours ago
      the first line of the article points out that python isn't run in the POSIX C handler. that just sets a flag for the interpreter to act on. the python issue is an unsafe re-entrant handling strategy in the interpreter.
      • masklinn 1 hour ago
        And this is explained in more details in the first article of the series.
    • krackers 58 minutes ago
      >almost nothing is safe

      That's a bit of an overstatement? There's a list of things that you _can_ call, and fairly useful ones too like `write`

      https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/signal-safety.7.html

      • Joker_vD 20 minutes ago
        There is also a charming statement in POSIX standard that

            If the signal occurs other than as the result of calling abort(), raise(),
            [CX] [Option Start] kill(), pthread_kill(), or sigqueue(), [Option End] the
            behavior is undefined if the signal handler refers to any object with static
            storage duration other than by assigning a value to an object declared as
            volatile sig_atomic_t, or if the signal handler calls any function in the
            standard library other than one of the functions listed in Signal Concepts.
        
        You literally can't read any global/static variables and you can only write to global/static variables that are declared to be volatile sig_atomic_t. This tremendously shrinks the amount of useful work you can do with the signal-safe functions from the standard library.
        • nottorp 13 minutes ago
          It may help if you think of them as interrupts and not something that comes in your message queue.
          • Joker_vD 7 minutes ago
            No, I understand that. I just find it deeply ironic that when an interrupt/signal arrives, pretty much the only thing you can do to handle it, is to raise some flag, then leave the handler and continue doing whatever you were doing in a message loop. Like, why even bother with supporting function callbacks in sigaction() etc? Just have each thread have a chunk of volatile memory where the kernel writes info about the arrived signals, and that's it, that's your signal handling framework.
    • inigyou 2 hours ago
      Certain signals are true user-mode interrupts, like SIGTERM and some of the ones glibc uses to implement pthreads.

      The ones related to application logic must only be handled with signalfd if you want any semblance of reliability.

    • pjmlp 1 hour ago
      Exactly, the only safe thing to do in a signal is set a variable for other code to react on, also they completely mess up in multi-threaded code.
      • germandiago 55 minutes ago
        That is exactly what I do: set an stomic variable and do yhings outside of the handler.
  • IgorPartola 5 hours ago
    What’s really fun is mixing signal handling and threads, especially on Linux. There is a simple way to do it and about a thousand ways that include at least one gotcha.
    • zbentley 3 hours ago
      What’s the simple way? Self-pipe?
  • jrumbut 3 hours ago
    I think the author undersells the significance of this. I could easily picture someone writing code that boils down to the example, all it requires is a flood of signals and a print statement.

    If your program generates signals, it could generate a flood unintentionally. If you put a print statement in the handler, you can get this result.

    It's not terribly surprising, but good to know.

  • charcircuit 3 hours ago
    I don't understand how this is still a problem in 2026. Signals should just come in via a new thread and it would solve all the complexity around them. Everyone has known the current way it works is extremely limited in what you can safely do. This whole pause the execution of what's currently running and then run some extra code somewhere else turned out to not be a good idea.
    • inigyou 2 hours ago
      They should come in via signalfd unless they're the moral equivalent of a non-maskable interrupt.
      • shawn_w 1 hour ago
        And for people who want to use something other than Linux?
      • charcircuit 2 hours ago
        That is also good, but requires apps be rewritten to read from signalfd. With the separate thread approach you can get away without having to rewrite programs.
  • Uptrenda 4 hours ago
    And when you combine it with event loops and multiple OSes + python versions it gets even more difficult. Don't get me wrong: I love python, but shut down / cleanup is kind of a pain in the ass. If someone built a (good) lib for this it would probably be quite popular.
  • fenestella 2 hours ago
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  • megagpt3 4 hours ago
    He considers it safe if it's unlikely to crash? That's also true in C. Calling printf in a C signal handler is likely to work. So why does he consider it important in C but "not a practical consideration" in Python? It's more likely to crash in Python than in C because the signal handler takes longer to execute.
    • lmz 2 hours ago
      The article mentions that the Python handler is run outside of the C handler context and so is not subject to the C safety restrictions. It will not crash since the interpreter only calls the Python handler when it is safe. It will however not protect against reentrancy issues in the Python handler.

      The C printf function is not async signal safe and is one of the examples in the manual: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/signal-safety.7.html