16 comments

  • sodality2 14 minutes ago
    This was my home gas station for 4 years so I may be biased, but it is fine. Symptomatic of a deeper car-centric problem, sure.
  • Ozzie_osman 16 minutes ago
    In systems thinking, this would be called "intrinsic responsibility" (or lack thereof).

      > Intrinsic responsibility” means that the system is designed to send feedback about the consequences of decision making directly and quickly and compellingly to the decision makers. Because the pilot of a plane rides in the front of the plane, that pilot is intrinsically responsible. He or she will experience directly the consequences of his or her decisions. 
    
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12139955-intrinsic-responsi...
  • schnevets 30 minutes ago
    So Vanguard owns one-eighth of ADC, an REIT whose stock price has declined 2.65% in the last 5 years. Surely there is space in the market for a smaller, leaner, possibly privately-owned REIT whose values more closely align with 2026 values and will one day be able to eat ADC's lunch.
    • iamnothere 12 minutes ago
      CRE is a tough market right now, but you would think that a little bit of minimal creativity and effort could make an impact. I get annoyed with the overreliance on murals to provide faux authenticity, but even that is usually better than a bland box.
    • sidewndr46 8 minutes ago
      I think the tax incentives of an REIT pretty much mandate it be publicly traded?
  • Terr_ 7 minutes ago
    By that logic, I also own a microscopic share in all sorts of businesses, many of which have their own sadness or disinterest.

    Is there anything that makes real-estate significantly different, beyond how the pathos can be more-easily photographed?

  • HawtAds 10 minutes ago
    No, this is just poor management. Japanese 7-11s are ran better because of better culture, products and management. It's not magic.
  • nemomarx 21 minutes ago
    I want to see what the author considers a nice 7-11 for contrast, because it seems normal to me? Could be more walkable of course but I'm not sure that's on the REIT. They didn't lay out the roads or anything.

    The wood paneling and nice front lights actually seem like an improvement over local 7-11s if anything.

  • FLeXMurphy 38 minutes ago
    Ah, perfect. A patronizing tone to start off the article. Where have I seen this before?
    • jafo1989 21 minutes ago
      As a frequent walker to the 7-11 in my "soul-crushing suburban district", I decided to look up the 7-11 landscape in Williamsburg, Virginia using the satellite view in Google Maps. Every single one of them is walkable from residential property.

      My guess is the author lives in a densely populated urban area, and doesn't understand how "soul-crushing suburban districts" really work.

      I've been walking to my 7-11 for over 30 years, and have gotten to know many attendants over the years.

      • Laforet 6 minutes ago
        The author has some valid points (i.e. people criticise business decisions made to appease shareholders without realising they may be the shareholders in a roundabout way) but chose some rather odd examples as proof.
      • iamnothere 11 minutes ago
        Way to miss the entire point of the article. It’s not anti 7-11, it’s against underinvestment in local properties and lack of reasonable planning, driven by distant ownership.

        I can also walk to a convenience store, in fact I’m fairly lucky with the amenities available in my neighborhood, but many places I’ve been (and previously lived) are disorganized and lack the livability of communities where the buildings have primarily local owners.

  • ddj231 19 minutes ago
    seems like aesthetically it matches its surroundings. it doesn't seem like an outlier in the neighborhood which kind of defeats the premise of the article.
  • rootsudo 21 minutes ago
    On the flip side: your retirement is dependent on the property listed in the article and if no improvements are needed while it generates a return…

    It means you’re a landlord!

    Congratulations!!

    Give yourself a round of applause. By not maintaining it, you are electing to keep cash flow high and profits secured. The overall commercial market has negative numbers so even if said REIT is down 2.65% it’s hedged together with numerous properties in a nice geographic arbitrage opportunity to minimize losses.

    Is that really… So bad?

    • SoftTalker 18 minutes ago
      A common saying is that in real estate, you make your money when you buy and when you sell, in other words not paying too much and timing sales to profit from appreciation. Cash flow from rent isn't a big part of it, that normally covers taxes, insurance, debt servicing, and maintenance but not a whole lot more.
      • rootsudo 14 minutes ago
        Well, it depends, if you’re going for ARV and appreciation, cash flow helps a lot on holding costs.

        While I agree with you make money when you buy/biggerpockets quotes, you want cash flow to minimize holding costs.

    • iamnothere 9 minutes ago
      True, but in exchange, “you” (meaning all of us) get to live out our lives and eventually our retirements in a bland, depressing facsimile of a culture.
    • pessimizer 17 minutes ago
      "You" is 10-20% of the US population. The rest will never actually be able to afford retirement, and have no investments. 50% don't have an extra $500 in case of emergency.
      • 1-more 7 minutes ago
        Maybe things have changed since 2022, but per the Fed's survey that year, the median American had $8,000 in transaction accounts alone (not unrealized stock gains, vehicles, houses, retirement, etc.). Because that's a median, 50% of the population had that much or more. By age cohort, the smallest median dollar amount was under 35s with $5,400, and the largest was 65-74s with $13,400

        https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/chart...

      • rootsudo 12 minutes ago
        You’re not wrong, but the onus is on whom to provide financial literacy?

        The majority of people do have a safety net in social security. While it may not be enough, it is something…

        • nemomarx 8 minutes ago
          Is it something? like do you think the program will still be around in 50 years for today's graduates, etc?
          • rootsudo 3 minutes ago
            1. I’ll be in that cohort so yes, I hope it’d be around.

            2. There is a cost of living adjustment matched to inflation.

            3. It was supposed to supplement your retirement not fund it.

            But I do agree it is on shaky ground with the current administration and the future of the US dollar in the world. The problem is, if I’m critical of it and it crashes, I get nothing. So why would I be critical of my own interest?

            Do I have alternatives such as buying vanguard ETFs and minimizing risk? Yes, is that the primary vehicle? More assurance than social security, that’s for sure.

            But who knows what’d happen in 25 years.

  • askafriend 20 minutes ago
    It looks like a normal 7-Eleven.
  • trgn 12 minutes ago
    the commodification of everything, just one more example. once you see it, you cannot unsee it.
    • bittercynic 2 minutes ago
      I think we're in agreement that commodification is often harmful, and should be constrained more than it currently is. It seems many of our fellow commenters are pretty enthusiastic about turning everything into a financial asset, though.
  • pessimizer 7 minutes ago
    Absentee owners should be taxed out of existence. The distance between an investment and the people who understand it is a law enforcement liability (it encourages fraud), a public liability (it inevitably concentrates ownership who can easily lobby and get bailouts), and leads to missed opportunities and inefficient use.

    The mass US real estate fraud that ended in 2008 was entirely built around loaning money to people who weren't creditworthy for overvalued property that they had no expertise to judge, then immediately selling that loan to somebody who would hide it in a complex product and immediately sell it again. Eventually, these was sold to municipalities and pension funds in complex gambling vehicles whose value would fall to zero if anything went wrong in this structure, after being branded "AAA" by institutions 1) paid by the people selling the products, and 2) literally written into legislation by name and into the rules governing the pension funds.

    That's what distance between an investor and in investment gets you. Tax every single hop. Make them break themselves up.

    • Terr_ 6 minutes ago
      I assume that proposal extends to all sorts of investment (e.g. general business stocks) and isn't scoped to real-estate alone?
  • zzzeek 10 minutes ago
    7-11's, which I frequent often, need a slightly higher food quality selection to appease affluents like me, but as far as how they look, that's what a 7-11 looks like! It's what I look for when I'm driving, on "stroads" / highways, and am looking for an exactly predictable experience, one which is low-key, inexpensive, and does not imply a formal dress code. I'd never want a 7-11 to look like a brownstone in the west village, that would imply an entirely different kind of business establishment.
    • iamnothere 2 minutes ago
      This does seem like a fair criticism, the 7-11 style seems fine to me. (The food selection is much better in Japanese 7-11s, though.) When I see them they are usually in better shape than other nearby stations.

      Small touches such as landscaping can really make a difference. For example, 7-11s at the beach often seem to put in a little more effort, although I don’t know if that’s the store or the landlord.

  • jmclnx 43 minutes ago
    Interesting, but I kind of like the building :)
  • spicyusername 28 minutes ago
    I mean, to be fair, local owners of buildings also neglect them sometimes.

    So, even if this is a problem, fixing it doesn't immediately make neighborhoods beautiful.

  • bombcar 39 minutes ago
    Bogle (Mr Vanguard himself) saw this coming and warned us, but it was perhaps too late: https://ia601506.us.archive.org/26/items/bogle-managerial-ca...
    • happyopossum 23 minutes ago
      The linked letter has absolutely nothing to do with TFA other than a very tenuous link to Vanguard: It was written a founder who hasn't been in charge of Vanguard for several decades.