A note on subscription prices from LWN

(lwn.net)

644 points | by rwky 6 hours ago

46 comments

  • AlexB138 6 hours ago
    LWN is one of the, if not the single, highest signal tech publications around. I hope they're able to maintain a stable subscription service. Being user funded, and avoiding having to maintain allegiance to advertisers, is likely part of why their quality is so high.
    • giancarlostoro 6 hours ago
      Not only that but lwn is one of the main sites that gets submitted to HN all year round (not daily, but maybe nearish to daily). So the audience here on HN has been exposed to it over the years. I'm not sure what more they could do to get new subscribers, I certainly hope they figure that out or how to get new ways to earn revenue without having to go the ad route.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=lwn.net

      • blks 5 hours ago
        I’m occasional lwn reader and I had no idea there are subscriptions there!
        • giancarlostoro 2 hours ago
          They lock down new articles for about a week I think, so subscribers get the first one, though if you're a subscriber I think they let you SHARE the article with others, so here on HN sometimes a brand new article will be shared by a subscriber with a code so anyone without a subscription can see it.
      • rdpintqogeogsaa 6 hours ago
        That's the thing though. You can get all the value from LWN through here. Even if it wasn't for them tolerating subscriber links being posted on HN, the week-long delay isn't nearly enough an incentive to actually subscribe, rationally speaking.
        • tonyarkles 6 hours ago
          Rationally-speaking, maybe not. I’ve been a long-time subscriber. When I first subscribed, my day-to-day involved embedded Linux and getting the “breaking news” was pretty valuable. These days I still do that somewhat but I’m stuck on a crusty vendor kernel and anything I read about a kernel newer than 5.15 is going to land on my desk in approximately 2028… but I still subscribe, mostly with a patronage mindset: I don’t acutely get value from the subscription every week, but I think it’s a community service and I’m happy to pitch in a few bucks to keep it alive.
          • kokada 4 hours ago
            Same as me. I started subscribing LWN when I was a Linux enthusiast from my early college days, because the content was so good and interesting. Nowadays I barely read it but I still keep my subscription alive, just because I think the content is worth it.
        • WD-42 5 hours ago
          Wouldn’t rationally speaking you’d want to support them to keep them around? Or did you mean selfishly speaking?
          • GuinansEyebrows 4 hours ago
            not saying parent feels this way but the target class of this website often does not separate the two. we're still sloughing off the goofballery of objectivism, i guess.
            • kjs3 4 hours ago
              we're still sloughing off the goofballery of objectivism

              Are we though? I certainly don't sense the volume of FYIGM entitlement decreasing.

              • chrisweekly 1 hour ago
                (FYIGM = F* You, I Got Mine)
              • GuinansEyebrows 1 hour ago
                based on other replies to the parent, at least some folks feel differently :) but generally i'm not very optimistic about it.
              • wonnage 3 hours ago
                They literally fearmonger for a permanent underclass, it’s definitely not decreasing
        • roryirvine 6 hours ago
          I think the generosity and straightforwardness are a big part of the attraction for many subscribers.

          They've always respected their readers and I hope that continues to pay off.

          • excitedrustle 5 hours ago
            Agree. I don't read it every week, but I greatly appreciate the quality (both of the technical content and the lack of advertising/sensationalism/clickbait) when I do read an article. Happy to pay to support this style of tech reporting and journalism.
        • kjs3 3 hours ago
          This is pretty close to "I shall stand under this tree during the storm to stay dry, and if this tree starts to drip on me I'll just run over to that other tree and stay dry there" thinking. If LWN goes away, that value leaves HN too. Rationally speaking.
        • teiferer 5 hours ago
          Selfishly speaking is the word you were looking for.
        • giancarlostoro 6 hours ago
          Easy to say until they have to eventually make the hard decision to shut down.
        • gpvos 53 minutes ago
          Rational thinking includes thinking about the long term.
        • classified 5 hours ago
          Rationally speaking, if you're getting value from it, you should be interested in its continued existence and therefore subscribe.
        • roughly 4 hours ago
          This is why nobody likes economists.
          • Sharlin 4 hours ago
            TBF, economists, if any group, would understand the freerider problem and what it leads to if there are too many of them.
            • roughly 4 hours ago
              You’d think, but in practice their entire policy prescription seems to come down to “well if they didn’t want me to have it, they should’ve bolted it down, this is really an incentives problem, if you look at it.”
        • freedomben 5 hours ago
          Well for me, at least, it's those features that make me a subscriber. If not for those I wouldn't do it
    • miki123211 4 hours ago
      I don't use Linux (on the desktop, I use it on headless machines), yet I still agree with this statement.

      When I saw that title, I thought the note would be about their "incredible journey", fortunately that is not the case.

    • pimeys 2 hours ago
      Super happy subscriber for years... One of those magazines that I open on a Sunday morning with a good cup of coffee and sleeping cats next to me before the family wakes up.

      If you enjoy well-written technical content, please subscribe and support them. I hope they continue making the great articles.

    • Quekid5 2 hours ago
      Absolutely. Very happy 10+ years subscribed here and I'll keep subscribing.

      (As someone pointed out in the comments, the title of this specific post could have been less heart-attack-inducing, but still... :) )

    • lsofzz 3 hours ago
      Agreed!
    • upslefts 6 hours ago
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  • Diederich 6 hours ago
    LWN is one of the cornerstones of my very successful career.

    Starting from the beginning, I have (at least) read through every story and every article, every week, since 1998. Especially in the beginning, there was a lot in each article I didn't understand. I would try to do some digging into those topics.

    One way or another, just the weekly exposure to absolutely top notch technical writing was foundational to me.

    When newer folk would ask me how to really get good with Linux, I would always point them to LWN.net.

    I've been a subscriber since the beginning. That small investment is the least I can do given the incalculable value LWN has brought to me.

    • simonebrunozzi 6 hours ago
      Sorry to be that guy, but... Please consider donating a significant amount to them, given that they have been a cornerstone of your very successful career.

      I did something similar in the past, in relation to Ubuntu, and I never regretted it, even if that money would have been very useful if spent in other ways.

      • Diederich 6 hours ago
        I will be doing just that today.
  • farlight 6 hours ago
    I know the editors visit these discussions: please, next time use a more descriptive title! I nearly had a fit when I saw that, really thought LWN is going down like it almost did 20 years ago.

    Happy to pay the new price, even though I can only afford the cheapest tier.

    • jzb 4 hours ago
      You'll be happy to know the title has been updated. Apologies for any undue concerns we have caused. :)
      • sphars 4 hours ago
        Now we need the HN mods to come in and edit the title of this thread, I had the same thought as OP when I first saw it lol
    • ddtaylor 4 hours ago
      HN needs to update the title too!
    • nottorp 4 hours ago
      > even though I can only afford the cheapest tier

      Their pricing is at US levels not world levels.

  • RMPR 5 hours ago
    > The LWN site has been improved in a number of ways, with features like articles in EPUB format,

    This is the single biggest feature that makes me keep my subscription going. The convenience to read longer form offline on my ebook reader makes me wish all other long form content websites would have the same.

    • WillAdams 3 hours ago
      I just noticed that too.

      Do they offer a facility for automatically mailing the epub file to a specified e-mail address (I'm thinking the Amazon Kindle conversion e-mail) --- that might push me over into a subscription.

      • corbet 2 hours ago
        We can't email a PDF now, but it wouldn't be that hard of a feature to add; I've put it onto the list.
        • WillAdams 1 hour ago
          Not a PDF, the ePub --- each Amazon Kindle has associated with it an e-mail address, which when a file is e-mailed to it, will be automatically converted and loaded (once the sender is white-listed) --- that way, each new issue would just automagically appear.
  • Iuz 5 hours ago
    Are there more things like LWN for other fields/subjects? A math LWN of sorts, for example? I would happily pay for it too if it follows this model.
    • pid-1 4 hours ago
      In general high quality niche stuff is very expensive e.g. Heavy Reading for teleco or Willmot magazine for quant finance.
    • xpct 4 hours ago
      I'd pay for something that was 'SemiAnalysis, but high quality'. Perhaps that's getting too much into insider territory?
      • Sesse__ 3 hours ago
        “Phoronix, but high quality” would also be great.

        People kept asking if they could pay for AnandTech, and they said “we'll think about it” for years until they shut down instead because it was financially unsustainable.

      • kjs3 4 hours ago
        Depends on what you're looking for. In a previous life we subscribed to some semiconductor analysis pubs that we're insanely deep dives into the industry. But they weren't so much technical deep dives as stuff a industry sector trader wants to know. And AFAIK they were very, very expensive.
        • xpct 3 hours ago
          Yeah, I'm aware a lot of stuff is catered towards traders. I'm someone who's more interested in the technology itself.
          • kjs3 3 hours ago
            I'm there with you. I keep an eye out for IEEE pubs, and papers out of schools that have microelectronics specialist programs, and the occasional vendor pub that isn't marketing, but there doesn't seem to be a rollup site for curated deep dives.
      • BoingBoomTschak 2 hours ago
  • roryirvine 6 hours ago
    Seems like only yesterday when they last increased their prices but it was, in fact, back in January 2022 - time flies!

    I'll have been an LWN subscriber for 22 years as of next week, and am very happy to continue to be one. It's easily the most worthwhile subscription I currently have.

  • microtonal 6 hours ago
    Thanks LWN team for the honest and straightforward post! The prices you ask are well worth it for the incredible value that LWN provides.

    I forgot to renew my subscription a while back and it has been a bit busy, will renew now.

  • xpct 5 hours ago
    Speaking of high quality publications, I wish we could get AnandTech back :( On some older blogs, I still stumble on dead links, and very few of them are on internet archive..
  • jll29 4 hours ago
    How about new sources of revenue?

    I -- and perhaps many -- would be interested in buying an archive of all the past issues (as PDFs and XML sources).

    You could also license to AI corps.

  • LelouBil 1 hour ago
    Since having my HN account I always read LWN articles shared here, but this has convinced me to finally subscribe !
  • Aissen 5 hours ago
    Also, if you have any sort of buying power: make sure you company pays for a group subscription, and maintains it over the years. I try do that here. Nudge your colleagues to use the subscription and send them the occasional article!
  • kfogel 5 hours ago
    I will be paying the new rate, and with pleasure. LWN is great.
  • boredatoms 3 hours ago
    The lesson is that if you keep writing good content, people will keep paying
  • CrankyBear 3 hours ago
    LWN is The publication for serious Linux kernel news. It's well worth the money.
  • bjackman 4 hours ago
    I think LWN is not just the best linux news site or the best tech news site, or the best new site. I think it's actually the best website. I just can't think of anything else that comes close in terms of quality of information.

    If you have any professional connection at all to Linux then $11/mo is an absolute bargain!

  • tensegrist 5 hours ago
    i'd been meaning to subscribe for…the better part of my life. just did, and if you're reading this and have the means you should too

    better late than never, and especially good now that every single day most of us are reading so many words that don't mean anything

  • keiferski 4 hours ago
    If you want stuff to exist in the world, pay for it. Work is work, and expecting things to be free, or to never raise their prices, is a good way to ensure that they don't last.
    • xpct 4 hours ago
      Ah, can't help but think of Atlas Shrugged. For all its flaws, it had a few chapters that described this idea well.
    • c_wilts001 3 minutes ago
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    • bcjdjsndon 3 hours ago
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  • excitedrustle 5 hours ago
    This reminded me that I'd let my LWN subscription lapse after a credit card expired. Just renewed for a year and turned on automatic renewals (at least until the next credit card expiration).
  • TheCondor 4 hours ago
    I've been a long term subscriber. I don't read it every day, but more like a few times a week and there is always good stuff.

    I highly recommend subscribing if you can. It's really one of the great ones and it's still oldshool style, not a lot of fluff, just nerds presenting nerdy news.

  • renlo 2 hours ago
    > Since the 2022 price change, according to the undoubtedly reliable numbers from the US government, consumer-price inflation has added up to almost exactly 20%.

    Enjoyed the sarcasm, but does anyone actually believe these numbers? Is there a more reliable metric that isn't affected by Goodhart's law and can be trusted?

  • mindcrime 3 hours ago
    This is fine with me. Like many of the other comments said, my fear when I saw the headline was "OMG, is LWN shutting down or something???"
  • dbalatero 3 hours ago
    If LWN isn't your exact thing, consider donating to a project you get outsized value from. For me it's neovim, for you it might be something else!
  • pjmlp 3 hours ago
    Although I seldom use Linux as main desktop, LWN is one of the services I keep subscribing to.
  • claykkari 5 hours ago
    Tried making an account but seems to take quite a while (forever?) getting the corresponding email. I guess their server is taking a beating due to this article.

    Update: received it after ~40 minutes.

    • jzb 4 hours ago
      The server was fine, but we have a throttle that kicks in if we get a flood of new account creations at once to ward off spammers and scammers. We're keeping an eye on the queue now to ensure that these are waved through quickly. Sorry for the inconvenience.
  • bee_rider 5 hours ago
    > There are few things we like less than raising prices, which is why we have done it so rarely. It would be far better to keep LWN as inexpensive as possible and make it up in volume. Subscriber growth has stalled, though, in recent years, making that strategy unworkable for now. We are working on schemes to bring in more subscribers again, but that is a long-term process; getting there requires some short-term help.

    I can see why they’d want to keep bumping prices occasionally (to keep up with inflation). Why do they need plans to increase subscriber growth, though, are they not currently profitable? It seems like they must have hit a steady-state by now.

    • corbet 4 hours ago
      If we can grow the number of subscribers, we don't need to raise prices for the ones that have supported us all this time; I would find that preferable. Besides, who doesn't want a broader reach?
      • bee_rider 3 hours ago
        Sure. Just, raising prices in line with inflation is not really raising them in a real sense. You are trying to give people a discount. :)
    • spockz 5 hours ago
      Inflation means that hosting costs increase. On the site they also mention being under heavy scraper load which also isn’t free.

      Then the writers probably also need compensation increase, at the very least to be a responsible employer so that the employees can deal with inflation.

      Inflation happens regularly, normally, or when world leaders emit another chaos bomb, and they do not raise prices immediately causing a lower income/costs ratio. In order to keep up with that without raising the prices in between you need more income and that comes from more payers.

      • kingstnap 10 minutes ago
        Hosting is probably ~0% of the cost lol.

        The costs of the writers is what makes journalism expensive.

  • debo_ 4 hours ago
    Subscribed. For the next year, goal is to spend more time on lwn and less time on hn lol
  • tonymet 2 hours ago
    Kudos to them for their longevity, integrity, high quality journalism, and the ability to continue to self publish. Most other journalists are depending on publishing apps (e.g. Medium / YouTube/ Social Media /etc) that are volatile and heavily influence business.

    I wish every journalism topic (politics, science reporting, arts , etc) had an equivalent independent trade publication.

  • mmooss 5 hours ago
    > prices have changed considerably

    I'm not doubting it, but I wonder what costs have changed for them?

    • drxzcl 5 hours ago
      Food and shelter if nothing else. Gotta pay the upkeep on the meat robots!
    • LtWorf 28 minutes ago
      Have you seen the price of hard drives these days?
  • rvz 5 hours ago
    Good. Increase the subscription prices against what the users think. There are no ads at all. But of course not everyone will agree and want it for free.

    Many know they want it for free. If you don't pay at all then it will force LWN to begin to place ads on their newsletter to cover the costs.

    There is no realistic in-between other than actually paying for your services.

  • wizzwizz4 4 hours ago
    The title has changed to A note on subscription prices from LWN. It may be worth editing this title to match.
  • wejick 4 hours ago
    Anyone still opening distrowatch.com? Another classic
  • saberience 5 hours ago
    This is literally the first I've ever heard of LWN (in over 20 years of being a professional engineer) so clearly they could be doing better marketing.
    • oytis 4 hours ago
      If you are not working with Linux kernel you don't need it. Those who are, are likely already subscribed
    • bee_rider 5 hours ago
      It is fairly Linux-focused fwiw
      • akuchling 3 hours ago
        They've also done good coverage of CPython development, like the JIT story currently on their home page.
  • MadrasThorn 4 hours ago
    Subscribed.
  • 0xbadc0de5 6 hours ago
    tl;dr - LWN is raising their prices 20%.

    I have no opinion since I'm not a subscriber, just adding for clarity since the title is ambiguous.

  • a12ah 6 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • noir_lord 6 hours ago
      You actually created an account to post this rubbish, I'm almost impressed.
  • colincowardly 5 hours ago
    [flagged]
  • 12398 5 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • drxzcl 5 hours ago
      Calls of "you should allow free speech" invariable actually mean "I should be allowed to harass your members".

      I enjoy spaces that are at least semi-moderated.

    • idoubtit 4 hours ago
      Do you realise that almost no one can understand what you're alluding to? So the comment looks not only vindicative but also stupid.

      Just a reminder that may be relevant to your gripe: allowing free speech is perfectly compatible with forbidding abuse and hate speech.

  • ycislost 1 hour ago
    [flagged]
  • birdieop 6 hours ago
    They could also consider paying their employees less.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38106227

    • bayindirh 6 hours ago
      I'd argue otherwise.

      Crab-bucket mentality aside, what they do is extremely important and hard to do.

      I can't write an occasional blog post without wrestling with my ideas and words, and they constantly churn out this high quality material, without ever slowing down. They deserve what they earn.

      OTOH, thanks for nudging me towards subscribing to LWN a bit more.

      Edit: Just subscribed. Thank you.

    • smallerize 5 hours ago
      That person posted this two years later https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44870881 so I don't think they're going to agree with your interpretation of the comment.
    • kjs3 3 hours ago
      Seriously? You joined HN 2 hours ago just to post "tech writers are little people unworthy of a decent living"?

      Classy.

    • roughly 4 hours ago
      Ah yes, reward the people generating the value less, that should be a neutral move vis a vis the value of the product.
    • giancarlostoro 5 hours ago
      That's such a weird take away, you're comparing Mozilla which has a diverse set of employees, versus an organization whose sole purpose is to hire high quality technical writers, which is already pretty niche.
    • k12sosse 6 hours ago
      If I can't have something, you shouldn't either, why didn't I think of that! Chud
  • slater 5 hours ago
    What subscription level will finally make them increase their article CSS's line-height from "affront to eyes" to "actually legible"?
    • corbet 4 hours ago
      Nobody has ever asked us to do that; I take it you would prefer a larger line spacing?

      If nothing else, we can easily add a customization option for that.

    • edoceo 4 hours ago
      Firefox plugin? Script Monkey? Ctrl+ to zoom the page? Reader mode?
      • slater 4 hours ago
        Sure, but I meant for all the site's visitors
        • toyg 3 hours ago
          If you read LWN, surely you are not scared to use a few "advanced" options in your browser...?
          • slater 3 hours ago
            I was a web dev for ~20 years, so well aware of options available.

            > I meant for all the site's visitors

            • toyg 2 hours ago
              Yeah, I meant in a general sense - I doubt any LWN reader is not aware of ctrl-+. I think they'd be more concerned if the site became more heavily CSSified - because it would become harder to read with terminal-based browsers.
            • GrinningFool 3 hours ago
              Is it Ctrl++ or Ctrl+scroll an advanced option?
  • Mawr 4 hours ago
    > A note on subscription prices from LWN

    Not enough of a spine to say "We're increasing LWN subscription prices"?

    Also, nice editorializing in the submission: "A Note from LWN". Yeah, a "note".

  • Osteen14 5 hours ago
    Sorry guys, for my inequity, but whats LWN
  • DeepLogin 5 hours ago
    I guess most people are about to unsubscribe from LWN.

    I don't think there news articles are even worthy enough to be paywalled at all this days.

    • kjs3 4 hours ago
      Do you have a third thing to be wrong about so we can declare "ignorance trifecta complete"?
  • thataccount 6 hours ago
    LWN, probably about to discover people are paying high prices for all manner of things and will find that LWN is, sadly, a disposable entity to pay for.
    • mrweasel 6 hours ago
      You could also see if it's something your employer allows you to expense. It's still cheap enough that it's something most managers can just approve directly, depending on organizational structures.
    • dcow 6 hours ago
      Based on the initial response, it does not, in fact, seem like this is the conclusion.
    • bryanlarsen 6 hours ago
      I suspect everybody likely to do so has already done so. Anybody who thinks $6 a month is a lot of money will also think $5 a month is a lot of money for something that they can get for free by waiting a week.
      • thataccount 6 hours ago
        5 to 6 dollars is not much in terms of a donation. In terms of a subscription, though...One thing is voluntary if you find value, the other is mandatory to get to the value unless you are willing to wait.
        • bryanlarsen 6 hours ago
          I think you're reinforcing my point. Both $5 and $6 a month are a lot of money to many people. LWN isn't "about to discover" this, they've likely already discovered this in their release + 1 week traffic over the years since they set the price at $5/month.
          • thataccount 5 hours ago
            It's been my experience most people, regardless of what point you make, feel like you are reinforcing their points these days.
    • giancarlostoro 6 hours ago
      They could always bump down a tier if needed, they have 6 months to decide anyway.
    • yipinwong 4 hours ago
      A dummy take on the LWN subscription price increase without valid reasons why.

      This account, `thataccount` has only negative comments that contribute naught.

  • lilerjee 4 hours ago
    I did not use LWN ago, and am worried the future of it.

    It outputs content and the users read the articles. I think the value of the model is not big.

    The most important knowledge and experience is from your own practice, thinking, experiment, and reality.

    If the price is too high, many users maybe think it is not worthy of the price, especially because there are many free and useful knowledge on Internet.

    • lilerjee 3 hours ago
      No open mind, Cannot tolerate criticism, Only donwvote.

      The future looks even bleaker.

  • wolvoleo 2 hours ago
    Wow $6 a month is really a lot for a tech site at least for someone from a lower income country in Europe. And that's only the cheapest tier

    I think the issue there is that they're based in the US so they have expenses in that economy too, but it will lead to less foreign subscribers I think. There seems to be a lot of pricing disconnect between the US and Europe. Like when a vision pro is $3500... I've never even spent more than 2400 euro on a car in my life.

    But I wish them luck. I don't know the site very well, I've only seen a few links from there here. I'm a big Linux user but I don't really follow specific sites except aggregators like this one.