5 comments

  • mandeepj 58 minutes ago
    They are all in this with one and only one purpose - to enrich themselves and weaken America.
  • paxys 20 minutes ago
    Why are people surprised? Trump promoted his personal lawyer to Attorney General. This is how the administration works.
  • josefritzishere 3 hours ago
    This is a strange and probably illegal use of the military.
    • Cthulhu_ 2 hours ago
      It's only illegal if you get caught. If this administration ever ends, the next one will be focused on the fallout of this one. (as is usually the case)
      • 0xWTF 21 minutes ago
        That has only been the case since 2008. Obama had no choice but manage the fallout of the Bush admin's record-setting-for-the-time fuck-ups.

        Reagan followed a fairly positively stated agenda. Clinton pursued a fairly positive agenda. George the 2nd followed a fairly positive, if misguided, agenda. And then it became a reactive shitshow.

        • felixgallo 4 minutes ago
          Reagan did what exactly? Are you thinking of the secret deal he struck with Iran for them to not release the hostages, in exchange for him giving them weapons illicitly, or are you referring to the disastrous trickle-down Reaganomics system that hollowed out the middle class to enrich the wealthy, or his handling of the AIDS crisis, or his crushing of the air traffic controllers, or the war on drugs, or something else?
      • lenerdenator 1 hour ago
        It needs to be far more focused than the last one.

        We can come back from this, but some people need to spend a significant amount of their lives in prison.

        • ezst 25 minutes ago
          As a non American, I don't think you can get back from this unless you get rid of the 2-parties system. Identity politics is a big component to what compelled individuals to operate against their own interests and those of their country. Good luck, though.
          • nickff 20 minutes ago
            I am not an American either, but there is a great deal of work on this subject, and the two-party system is actually one of the most resistant to single-individual or single-party takeover. The reason is that multi-party systems are vulnerable to having a party in power 'promoting diversity' (or something similar), in order to disempower all their opponents, while making it look like they're allowing for more views. Examples of this include quotas for minority representation, and (strategically designed) multi-member voting districts.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Logic_of_Political_Surviva...

            • vincnetas 3 minutes ago
              well this book was written in 2003 and current day events in USA clearly contradict this statement : "two-party system is actually one of the most resistant to single-individual or single-party takeover."

              With lots of examples of contrary , where multi party system has not devolved in one man shit show.

              • nickff 0 minutes ago
                North Korea, China, Russia, etc. are examples of one party taking over; the USA is just a country that has one party (you don't seem to like) with most (but not all) of the political power at the moment.
        • jst1fthsdys 1 hour ago
          No we can’t. This is what collapse looks like.
          • mrtesthah 1 hour ago
            What are you personally doing to prepare for "collapse" then?
          • 2OEH8eoCRo0 1 hour ago
            Thanks 6 month old doom-and-gloom account!
        • krapp 1 hour ago
          >but some people need to spend a significant amount of their lives in prison.

          Short of rewriting the constitution, that just isn't going to happen. The president is immune to prosecution for any crime committed in office and has unlimited power to pardon anyone else of any federal crimes.

          And if the Democrats even attempt to do anything of the sort, people will just consider it a partisan witchhunt. It will be litigated all the way to a SCOTUS that's stacked with Trumpist ideologues.

          • pasquinelli 24 minutes ago
            > Short of rewriting the constitution, that just isn't going to happen

            then a new constitution it is!

          • badc0ffee 1 hour ago
            > a SCOTUS that's stacked with Trumpist ideologues.

            It's majority conservative, but that's not the same thing as what you're claiming here.

            It has 3 members appointed by Trump, but even that doesn't make them Trumpist ideologues.

            • hiddencost 26 minutes ago
              I really can't find any other possible interpretation of their wall to wall decisions on anything election related. They are a knowing and enthusiastic participant in the coup.
              • estearum 17 minutes ago
                Thomas is a born and bred loser, but otherwise they're afraid of being assassinated. Judges are under massive, massive amounts of threat whenever they think to hold Trump to literally any scrutiny whatsoever.

                Not a conspiracy theory, this is an open discussion topic among federal judges within their own conferences.

            • krapp 1 hour ago
              I don't believe for a second that Trump, being the narcissist that he is, would appoint anyone but ideologues.
              • edmundsauto 51 minutes ago
                Probably more loyalists than ideologues. It’s the Project 2025 influence that has the ideologues. And the Thiel/Vance sector has the traditional influence-focused corruption, while the Trump family is more low-trust-society personal enrichment grift.

                Quite a perfect storm.

          • mistrial9 1 hour ago
            no this is false and a superficial search confirms it. No need to make extensive citations because this level of talk does not warrant it.
            • krapp 1 hour ago
              provide one citation, then.
              • Jtsummers 1 hour ago
                https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

                > The president is immune to prosecution for any crime committed in office

                That's a misreading of the SC decision. If he walks down the street and murders someone, unless he can make a case that it was an official act, then he wouldn't have immunity. He'd need to demonstrate that he has the Constitutional authority to murder people on the street, and he doesn't, so it wouldn't be an official act and he wouldn't have any immunity.

                • LadyCailin 48 minutes ago
                  How about not on the street, but in a boat in international waters? Or, how about on the street, but they were believed to be carrying drugs?
                • convolvatron 40 minutes ago
                  ok, so we managed to get a decision that the president wan't immune from having to pay out in a civil suit related to the molestation of a woman from before he even became a politician. but part of the problem here is the blurring of the personal and the official. should the president be liable for overtly violating the constitution 'while performing official acts'. Is interfering in the state's right to hold their own elections an official act? is instructing the military to order someone in cold blood an official act? does pursuing a series of novel legal interpretations imply that he was violating the law or not? is accepting money in exchange for a presidential pardon an official act?

                  whether or not you believe this is a pass from the Supreme Court, it opens up a whole new unexplored space of lack of culpability.

              • mistrial9 1 hour ago
                “Aye, scallywag, yer SCOTUS rulings reading ain’t fit for kindergarten; read the chart again: official acts may be immune, but private crimes still face prosecution.”
        • azinman2 1 hour ago
          And doing so risks societal fractions against the idea of lawfare. It’s a lose lose situation.
          • dam_jackalopes 1 hour ago
            That may be, but the consequences for not taking these bad actors to task would have worse and longer lasting consequences. The portion of society that will fracture the most loudly has already attempted to storm the seat of government after a national election. We've seen what they're capable of and I'm much less afraid of that than permanently mafiatizing basically every level of the Federal government.
          • Phemist 1 hour ago
            Yes, but expect those prison sentences will be more popular than you might expect. The current admin expends an insane amount of energy pumping the size of their supposed fanbase.
          • hardbass 1 hour ago
            Forgiving the south after the civil war led to Jim Crow. Forgiving most of the nazis after WW2 seems to be the reason nazis are rising again so quickly. Forgiveness has been given enough chances already. I think we should try giving the full punishment a try.
            • defen 14 minutes ago
              The British attempted “full punishment” against the American colonies and look where that got them. There are no easy solutions.
          • lenerdenator 1 hour ago
            Not really. They'll get over it. Just gotta make the hole the perpetrators are in deep enough.
    • shimman 29 minutes ago
      Illegal? This is like the number one purpose of the US military, it's always to help the elite interests in resource extraction and forcing weaker countries into US trade policy.
  • sgnelson 2 hours ago
    "Asked about the potential for conflicts of interest to arise due to his simultaneous role as attorney for Cerberus, Feinberg, and the DOD, he said “you’ve got to be kidding me” and insisted that the interests of the three clients have been kept separate."

    Oof. This guy is a top lawyer, and this is how he responds to a journalist asking about conflict of interests?

    Obviously a very smart man and very trustworthy. /s

    We are truly living in a kleptocracy.

    Edited: Two seconds of google: https://www.cerberus.com/media/cerberus-acquires-controlling... Yep, no possibility of conflicts of interest here.

    I don't know what bothers me more, the corruption, or the fact that they're both so stupid and open about it.

    • totetsu 1 hour ago
      Immediately and coarsely calling into question the intelligence of any-one who questions the corruption, seems to be par-for-the-course for these anti-socialites.
    • Cipater 1 hour ago
      The fact that there will be no consequences for any of this.
  • thataccount 40 minutes ago
    There are a couple of ways of seeing this. One is that there is a conflict of interest. The other is that there has been a conflict of interest in the military for years, and this guy has proven himself to be useful in fighting it such that he has been given an unusual amount of power. Obviously, number 1 would be bad. Number 2, though, would be laudable. I'd be careful about jumping to a conclusion until more evidence comes to light in either direction.
    • hiddencost 28 minutes ago
      Are you saying that senior military leadership has earned the right to a little light graft?