8 comments

  • dtf 1 hour ago
    NATS - the same system that crashed in August 2023 [1] due to an id clash, causing 2000 flights to be cancelled and days of chaos.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37461695

  • illwrks 49 minutes ago
    For anyone stranded, read up on UK261/EU261 and your airlines application process to be reimbursed. As far as I’m aware it’s not likely to happen automatically, you need to initiate the process (and record audio/video just in case proof is needed)
    • junofan 0 minutes ago
      Eh, I tried in 2017 with BA when their system went down and received nothing. There was magically a Black Lives Matter protest at Gatwick (or maybe LCY, can’t remember) on the same day, which isn’t covered apparently.
    • ktallett 45 minutes ago
      You won't get compensation for ATC issues, but you will be reimbursed.
  • dude250711 5 minutes ago
    Better for the planet though.
    • dlcarrier 2 minutes ago
      Ocean liners use several times more fuel per passenger mile than airliners.
  • johnnyApplePRNG 14 minutes ago
    In the middle of a highly geopolitically sensitive moment where there's been bombs at other European airports recently?

    Color me suspicious.

    • heyitsmedotjayb 12 minutes ago
      Immediately after UK announced sanctions on illegal settlements...
  • doublerabbit 1 hour ago
    Including mine. I'm not angry because my flight was cancelled. It's a pain in the arse but what really infuriates me is the "We are terribly sorry" these PR releases give. I've been on hold for three hours with British Airlines and it's "we are sorry", no you're not.

    "We are truly sorry for the ongoing flight disruption" is what infuriates the situation; when words have no meaning behind the phase. Pixelated hold-music I am sure is designed to make you rage further.

    • ryandrake 12 minutes ago
      Whenever a company communicates how "sorry" they are, I can't help but think about South Park[1].

      1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0EL_u4nvw

    • Daviey 1 hour ago
      My wife is currently at Gatwick, supposed to have taken off 2 hours ago, but no update.... The frustrating thing is the complete lack of information. I cannot comprehend how nobody knows what the situation is. I mean, is aircraft on the tarmac yet? Has it left it's previous destination yet? etc.

      Worst part is, likely no compensation as it isn't the airlines "fault".

      • dylan604 35 minutes ago
        Why the use of scare quotes? It's not their fault. The airline arranged for flight crew, had the plane available, yet something outside of their control is preventing them from doing the deed. It's no different to the airline if a sudden bit of weather came along preventing the flight from taking off.
        • donalhunt 8 minutes ago
          I think the frustration comes from airlines not being able to accurately predict what the impact of a delay will be for the schedule for the remainder of the day, following day. They always hope they'll be able to recover some of the schedule with fast turnarounds.

          On a recent trip (when I encountered issues on every leg — cancellations, delays, missed connections, you name it), it is clear that airlines are incentivised to not communicate delays until it is clear the delay can't be recovered. In one case, at the airline's hub, the airport displays were showing a 2 hour delay and their app showed on-time departure (to the point I had to go and ask which source to trust). Having been a frequent flyer in the past I was able to determine that the delay was likely (but airlines can swap in equipment at hubs and mitigate the delay).

          Once you do have a delay the ripples are complex to handle. You have some passengers that were meant to connect to other flights. You have some that won't travel at all die to the cancellation. You then have 100+ people who you somehow have to accommodate in the coming days when flight loads are hopefully already 90+%.

          To be fair to my airline, their app was actually great at offering me a rebooking option the following day when my flight was cancelled. Unfortunately, the option I selected resulted in a non-direct flight with a transfer time that was impossible in reality (shouldn't have been offered in my opinion). I was literally rebooked 5mins after they declared the flight cancelled, skipped the queues back in the departure area (I don't think the local service agents even knew about the app) and drove home to my family for an extra night.

          • ccppurcell 3 minutes ago
            I'm going to guess that they have really good predictions, it's just that it doesn't benefit them at all to reveal those to customers.
    • mcmcmc 15 minutes ago
      Why wouldn’t they be sorry? It’s bad for them too
    • colechristensen 34 minutes ago
      People will be angry regardless of what they say, some if they say they're sorry, some if they don't say they're sorry. Regardless of what they say, some set of people or another is going to come out and be angry about it.

      What do you hope to accomplish with the phone call?

      Failures happen, does it make a difference if there's someone in charge feeling a strong emotion about it? Do the call center staff have to feel genuine guilt as if their mediocre job somehow made them personally responsible?

      Being angry is just as useless as faking being sorry, all they're doing is acknowledging a screwup in an automated message. Give them a break.

      • alistairSH 5 minutes ago
        In the past year, I've flown for vacation twice, with delays on one leg of each.

        First one, United flight from IAD to SJU, 4-5 hour delay, mechanical issue, with updates from the gate agent every 45 minutes or so, basically keeping us well apprised of the status of our plane (and when that plane was no longer viable, of the replacement plane and then replacement crew). "Flight crew saw a warning light and needs to talk to company" then "company says try again" then "that didn't work, maintenance crew coming to look at it" then a few more similar updates. No, there was nothing we could do with the info, but it was nice to know the problem was being worked - at least made me feel less out of control.

        Second one, Aer Lingus from DUB to IAD, 4 hour delay, mechanical issue, no updates from the gate agent beyond "so sorry, we're delayed another hour" every hour or so. I found this much more frustrating. No, there was nothing I could do either way, but it would have been nice to know a bit more about what was wrong, who was working the problem, etc. This felt more out of control, and more frustrating.

      • lbriner 26 minutes ago
        I suspect there is a name for thinking that, "if I do something, it will get resolved quicker". Lots of us won't just sit there and wait for someone to come and tell us when it is fixed because we don't trust that other people also want to resolve the problem.
    • ktallett 1 hour ago
      Do you expect them to employ enough staff to answer passenger calls for this rare occasion? That is not good business.
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  • foxwell_1959 32 minutes ago
    Got me confused with that title, thinking what “100 seconds of flights” would look like.