Matt Mullenweg put on 'leave of absence'

(404media.co)

140 points | by doener 1 hour ago

22 comments

  • Shank 1 hour ago
    > “And the biggest news: I won't be able to make the ELT tomorrow,” Matt wrote in an Announcement Slack. He continued, writing that Mark Davies, current Automattic Chief Financial Officer, has “conspired” with Automattic Board of Directors members Ann Dunwoody, Toni Schneider, and Sue Decker “behind my back and they voted to put me on a paid leave of absence. I voted against that.”

    If you’re doing this type of accusation in the company wide announcements channel, odds are you’re never coming back. A board coup rarely happens without a good reason, but a “leave of absence” isn’t a firing. It’s still pretty bad, but it’s not a firing. However, crashing out and waging war on the board will lead to that outcome.

    • SaltyBackendGuy 1 hour ago
      In recent memory of companies I've worked for, even the absolute WORST executives haven't gotten fired. They always announce that "it's time for another adventure" or "I am taking a break". So I am not shocked they didn't fire him, although the board is now probably wishing they did.
      • datakan 1 hour ago
        Had a President make a big ordeal about leaving "for health reasons". His LinkedIn had him at a new company within a couple months doing the same thing.

        Had a CISO leave for "personal" reasons. Talked to him a couple years later and yeah, he was fired.

        Steal 20$ out of a cash register and make the local news. Waste a billion dollars at a corp and make insane decisions and ride out on a golden parachute. Its a fucked up world.

        • gottorf 23 minutes ago
          In fairness, I don't think stealing $20 makes the local news these days, unless you live in a town of 300 people. There's a lot of antisocial behavior that goes unreported.

          But moreover: I guess there's a presumption, whether fair or not, that well-paid executives overseen by wealthy boards of directors are pre-vetted and act in good faith, whether or not those actions pan out and make money; versus robbery or violent crime that people recoil from, that assumption of good faith isn't there, because it's self-evident to ordinary people that there is no justification for such actions.

        • actionfromafar 27 minutes ago
          Ah, but they take the big risks, you see. Someone has to do it.
      • telotortium 39 minutes ago
        Those phrases often imply that they were fired or asked to resign - although the deniability can be useful, which is why they’re so often used. As a recent example, Fidji Simo went on leave from her role at OpenAI several months before leaving. Although I don’t know for sure, I would suppose that she was essentially fired when she went on leave, and the subsequent success of Codex after she went on leave confirmed the decision to fire her. It’s possible that, if Codex hadn’t been a success, she might have been brought back, so putting her on leave was useful for optionality.
      • patternMachine 1 hour ago
        Barring truly bad behavior this is how executives get fired.
      • tibbydudeza 1 hour ago
        Spend more time with my family :).
    • dofm 1 hour ago
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      • muglug 52 minutes ago
        > He is surely very evidently mentally ill.

        I don’t think that’s accurate or helpful.

        I think he found himself in a situation that he could not cope with in a rational manner. I suspect that many people, myself included, would struggle in similar situations.

        Occasionally a person can find themselves in a place where quitting is the best option for everyone involved, but the person at the centre is so dug in that they don’t even consider the possibility.

        • dofm 41 minutes ago
          > I don’t think that’s accurate or helpful.

          There are, to me, abundant signs that he is severely burned out, dysregulated and irrational.

          (In this statement, in other statements, in his actions that wilfully worsened his own case against WP Engine, in his blog posts etc.)

          These are mental health issues. I have experienced many of them myself (I am indeed recovering from them now) and do not know what else you could possibly call them.

          He is very evidently experiencing continuing poor mental health. I don't know why the board would say "leave of absence" if they were not themselves alluding to his health. He clearly needs a break from the thing he does for his own benefit.

          I absolutely wish him well and hope he steps back and takes care of himself for a while; none of this is worth worse health.

      • kmeisthax 35 minutes ago
        I am saying this as someone who has had repeated and ongoing issues with WP Engine as a hosting platform: no, Matt Mullenweg was not even valid in his basic assumptions motivating his lawsuit against WP Engine. The idea that a hosting platform is leeching off the WordPress ecosystem is absurd, for two reasons:

        1. WordPress is free and open source software, developed under reciprocal licensing (GPL). Hosting companies are neither legally nor morally obligated to contribute back to WordPress core. They are already a beneficial part of the ecosystem.

        2. WP Engine was contributing back to the WordPress ecosystem, just not Matt Mullenweg's corner of it.

        WordPress is a modular platform and plugin and theme developers are just as important to WordPress's continued success as core development is. WP Engine happens to own Advanced Custom Fields (ACF), which is basically WordPress's answer to the Drupal Fields API[0]. ACF is what lets you add arbitrary fields to WordPress's page edit screen without having to write a bunch of custom metabox hooks and forms. It was a huge timesaver before things moved to page builders[1] and it's still useful even if you're using a page builder.

        [0] Formerly Content Construction Kit

        [1] Full disclosure: I hate Gutenberg. It is not WordPress, it's a React development kit tumor shoved inside WordPress. Any other page builder would be preferable.

  • gkoberger 1 hour ago
    Unfortunately, this is for the best. WordPress powers a large percentage of the internet, and I'm not sure what's going on with Matt (who I've always liked) but something turned the past few years.

    He's been behind unforced error after unforced error as CEO, and I hope a break helps him gain some perspective (although I don't see him being brought back).

    WordPress has been his life for 23 years. Doing the same thing for 23 years likely makes it difficult to have a proper perspective.

    • stephenlf 56 minutes ago
      The entire internet is breathing a sigh of relief
    • dzonga 36 minutes ago
      em-dash by Cloudflare looks interesting in terms of replacing Wordpress.

      by garnering enough of an ecosystem to cause a migration will be the bigger challenge.

      of course some people will say in the age of agents will people need to visit websites ;)

      • Volundr 20 minutes ago
        Am I looking at the right thing?

        https://github.com/emdash-cms/emdash

        > EmDash depends on Dynamic Workers to run secure sandboxed plugins. Dynamic Workers are currently only available on paid accounts. Upgrade your account (starting at $5/mo) or comment out the worker_loaders block of your wrangler.jsonc configuration file to disable plugins.

        Seems like a pretty poor replacement for WordPress, which will run on pretty much whatever random system happens to be within eyesight.

    • michael0church 56 minutes ago
      Wordpress enshittified in the mid-2010s. It wasn’t recent. So, I only agree off we resolve “past few years” to at least a decade.
    • 00ze 48 minutes ago
      > Doing the same thing for 23 years likely makes it difficult to have a proper perspective.

      Preach.

      Seems to twist perception that reality is a fractal when it's recursive and eventually exits (everything dies).

      Explains religion, politics, and similar longtermism memes.

    • pbreit 1 hour ago
      No reason given?
      • downrightmike 23 minutes ago
        He got tired of WPEngine not contributing back to wordpress, so he made it his mission to try and get them to pitch in.
      • chris_wot 50 minutes ago
        Any reason needed?!? We can all see what he’s done!
        • bigiain 44 minutes ago
          I agree, but there's still a big "Why now?" question in my head. I suspect the board knows of something even more spectacularly stupid he's about to do.
    • biglyburrito 1 hour ago
      "Unfortunately"??
      • gkoberger 1 hour ago
        "Unfortunately", because Matt did a lot of good for the internet over the past two decades. WordCamp is (or was) really amazing, the community he built is really great, the Automattic Lounge was cool, he's donated millions of dollars to good causes, and WordPress powers a large portion of the Internet.
        • solarkraft 1 hour ago
          Automattic also bought Tumblr and Pocket Casts, publishing the code of the latter. I used to have a subscription just to support them.
          • dofm 1 hour ago
            And Simplenote.
        • Gualdrapo 1 hour ago
          Huh. I still remember back in the Gutenberg launch era and all the drama around it (2018) the internet saying he was the devil for profiting from WP.
        • antonvs 35 minutes ago
          > WordPress powers a large portion of the Internet.

          Unfortunately.

      • Arnt 1 hour ago
        He read the commit logs and understood much of what he read. That's deep understanding of the product. That alone puts him in the top few percent of CEOs.

        IMO.

      • gpm 1 hour ago
        Yeah, it's unfortunate when anyone goes off the deep end.
      • solarkraft 1 hour ago
        He still contributed a lot to the world during the good times.
  • reticulates 1 hour ago
    I think it is easy to underestimate how big of a deal this is. Matt has a stranglehold on Automattic and Wordpress, it is not possible to remove his control over the ecosystem and he is volatile. Ousting him as CEO is almost certain to cause a major reaction from Matt, so, for Automattic to make this decision is a very big deal. The right decision for the long term but the hard decision. I expect we will see Matt try to punish Automattic’s board, it will get worse for Automattic before it gets better.

    Here is Matt talking about his control: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42657150

    • Spinfusor 52 minutes ago
      If he has 84% voting share, can't he just fire the board?
      • reticulates 27 minutes ago
        Firing the board is the least Matt-like option. He has absolute control and ownership over the WordPress project, I think it is more likely that he starts his own Automattic splinter company and removes Automattic from the WordPress project. I’d guess he is already filing incorporation docs for Antimatter Inc. or some other Matt themed name.
      • chris_wot 47 minutes ago
        If Mullenweg attempts to fire the board that just suspended him, he would be weaponizing proxy votes against the very investors who originally granted them. While founder proxies are often structured to be irrevocable, using them to purge the board would almost certainly trigger a massive legal battle, attempts by investors to breach or revoke the proxy agreements, and severe financial instability for the company.

        While he technically holds the votes required to disband the board, executing that move would ignite a corporate civil war rather than a clean transition of power.

    • pluc 1 hour ago
      I'd definitely take away his access having seen how vindictive he has been throughout the WPE saga, for everyone's sake
  • garbagepatch 1 hour ago
  • _fw 1 hour ago
    I briefly worked in the web agency SaaS space and hoooo boy, I have never known a more gossipy or dramatic industry.

    That’s not to pass comment either way on Mullenweg

    It’s just WordPress folk are nuts.

  • CqtGLRGcukpy 11 minutes ago
    Bypass paywall at either https://web.archive.org/web/20260909213058/https://www.404me... or https://archive.ph/7J5TB.

    https://www.theverge.com/tech/993022/wordpress-automattic-ce... also has a writeup which takes some quotes from the article (and a statement by Automattic).

  • hermitcrab 1 hour ago
    >Most recently, Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic.”

    What is wrong with these people?

  • bedroom_jabroni 27 minutes ago
    Quick, somebody back up the WP Plugins repository.
  • ChoosesBarbecue 1 hour ago
    I am so curious why now, what changed? The WPEngine saga was started two years ago.
    • nikcub 7 minutes ago
      from my own observations:

      a) you don't want the WPEngine case going to trial and that is coming to a decision point soon. chances are the new CEO and board settle.

      b) wordpress is being absolutely obliterated by ai. work for commercial plugin authors and agencies has dried up while the platform and ecosystem see major security issues and worms exploit a large number of sites every week.

      wordpress and automattic haven't responded to this well, at all. at times it is often straight denial.

      founder CEO distracted by expensive lawsuit while facing existential threat to project that will require complete attention and a lot of skill to steer out of

    • minimaxir 1 hour ago
      It never ended.
      • ChoosesBarbecue 53 minutes ago
        Touché, reworded it to be clearer on what I meant :).
  • pier25 49 minutes ago
    It's impressive this took so long.
  • solarkraft 1 hour ago
    I’m a bit relieved. Only knowing it superficially through its larger public actions, Automattic used to be one of the “good guys” companies to me. I envisioned myself applying there at some point. This has obviously changed over the last 1-2 years.

    I don’t doubt that the good parts were largely Matt’s work, but well ... I think a lot of us followed his semi-recent public actions.

    I’m a bit surprised they didn’t pull the plug earlier given they could have. Hasn’t he already caused vast damage?

    Still, he has done a lot of good for the internet and world at large. I don’t want to discount that. I just hope he manages to chill a bit.

  • ValentineC 1 hour ago
    I'm shocked. I always thought that Matt held the majority of the voting shares, and that the board of directors was mostly there as a rubber stamp.
    • ojame 42 minutes ago
      Voting shares and board of directors are two different mechanisms. Just because he holds 80%+ of voting shares, doesn't mean he can control who runs the company. Shareholders can make up (elect/remove) directors on the board, the board decides who can run the company (or other officials). His vote against was likely true, but if the board is 4 seats and he only has one vote, that's 25%.

      A lot of this is pretty typical, but what's interesting is what happens next. He could just remove members of the board with his 80%+ control, and build a board that backs him. I assume they have investor agreements that prevent that.

      • angry_octet 29 minutes ago
        Regardless of who he puts on the board, directors have legal obligations to the SEC and all shareholders. If he wants that level of control he would need to take the company private, and various investor agreements probably prevent this.
  • nubinetwork 1 hour ago
    Good riddance
  • 0xDEADBEEFCAFE 1 hour ago
    Anyone could have forked WordPress at any time or spun up their own multi tenant instances if they were truly concerned, this just seems personal. It’s a bad day for founders IMO.
    • minimaxir 1 hour ago
      The entire saga started due to WP Engine "forking" WordPress.
      • 0xDEADBEEFCAFE 47 minutes ago
        So problem solved? My only criticism is that 1) Mr. Mullenweg should have held tighter controls over the IP and 2) the direction to the community that they are encouraged to use "WP" as a prefix for their business names and products was ultimately a bad one leading to this mess..
        • nixosbestos 33 minutes ago
          Matt, ... just log out and take a break.
      • kmeisthax 31 minutes ago
        WP Engine's "forking" consisted of disabling the revisions feature by default.

        As someone who's personally been bitten by this particular WP Engine misfeature, describing this as a "fork" is disingenuous at best. The average Linux distro ships way more out-of-tree changes than WP Engine ever did.

  • echoangle 1 hour ago
    > Most recently, Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic.”

    Real austin powers vibes

    > He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark.

    • variaga 45 minutes ago
      It's a little less dramatic than that. They did send a demand letter to automatic.css saying that since 'automatic' and 'automattic' differ by only one letter, are pronounced the same, and are marketed to similar groups the name is likely to cause confusion, hence automatic.css should change its name.

      Which is not the same thing as claiming the word automatic generally.

      Personally it sounds like a loser if they took it to court since (a) automatic is a common word and (b) they already asked automatic.css to add a "not affiliated with word press" disclaimer (which automatic.css did add). IANAL.

    • ifahimreza 32 minutes ago
      they own automatic.com right?
  • chris_wot 51 minutes ago
    This is likely how they pull out of the disasterous legal actions Mullenweg has taken.
  • ramon156 1 hour ago
    Reminds me of the first season of Succession
  • tibbydudeza 1 hour ago
    Finally.
  • bellowsgulch 1 hour ago
    Good, get him the fuck away from Wordpress. Though frankly, a better solution might be for businesses to ask themselves whether or not they need Wordpress anymore.

    In the mean time, if you're unable to derisk Mullenweg out of your business stack, this is a good first step.

    • SwellJoe 38 minutes ago
      WordPress dominance of the web has certainly peaked, but history indicates there will be several years in which to continue to extract comfortable profits while riding it down. e.g. Oracle, a database that almost no business has actually needed in decades.
    • kmeisthax 28 minutes ago
      The uptick in Webflow usage alone would suggest the damage has already been done.
  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
    [dead]
  • dcrazy 1 hour ago
    I guess when people vote the same way, it’s technically a conspiracy?
    • biglyburrito 1 hour ago
      No, it's called "voting".
    • antonvs 29 minutes ago
      No, a conspiracy would require that they all got together in secret to plan to vote that way. Which is hardly necessary in a case like this.