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  • legitster 2 hours ago
    The thing missing from these briefs is the context. We're not seeing the hundreds or thousands of other daily reports that are mixed in and have to be acted on. It's easy to cherry pick after the fact.

    Case in point, just going off of the reports here it would have been hard to predict what happened. They were concerned about Bin Laden starting civil wars, taking embassies, launching a biological attack, cells in Europe, etc. And even their preliminary reports about a possible plane hijacking in the US presumed it would be a simple quid pro quo for prisoner releases.

    I'm worried this release is being thinly veiled as an attack on previous administrations. But it should be pointed out that the current administration eschews intelligence entirely and has no qualms about worsening the country's current security posture.

    • ilamont 59 minutes ago
      The New York Times summary noted that there was a fear of "alert fatigue" coupled with a lack of confidence about the strength of the signals they were getting.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/11/us/politics/cia-sept-11-i... (gift article)

      • KennyBlanken 3 minutes ago
        I don't buy htat given they felt it was necessary to engage in a massive amount of domestic spying and further expansion of foreign intelligence.
    • bawolff 1 hour ago
      Yeah, its a bit like a medical test that promises to detect cancer 100% of the time, but actually just says everyone has cancer.

      To be useful, information doesn't just have to have a good false negative rate, it also has to have a good false positive rate, and be specific. Otherwise its useless as you can't persue every possible lead.

    • KennyBlanken 5 minutes ago
      > We're not seeing the hundreds or thousands of other daily reports that are mixed in and have to be acted on.

      There is one PDB per day. One. It is a presentation, not just a sheet of paper. And it's assembled by a team who are producing something for someone who (normally) is the most scheduled person alive save astronauts, who are well aware of that person's fixed resources in terms of time and attention.

      Acting like the amount of information presented, especially to someone with extensive executive experience as the governor of Texas, is somehow overwhelming, is beyond disingenuous.

      The important context missing here is that Bush was infamous for treating the PDBs like a hassle he didn't want to have to deal with.

      The important context missing here is that the terrorists practically put up a neon flashing sign saying "WE WANT TO HIJACK AIRLINERS." They literally told instructors they only cared about specific phases of flight - I think one said "we don't need to know how to land." You know, the hardest part of flying a plane?

      The important context missing here is that the WTC attack was used to justify a massive amount of domestic spying.

      The last important context missing is that the current president has a very similar attitude toward almost any form of briefing, and entered us into a war largely because he didn't understand nuclear weapons treaties and did not listen to anyone who told him that a weapons treaty having an end date is normal - so the treaty can be revised and renegotiated to meet changes in both countries and the rest of the world. You-know-who thought it was a weakness and the US was getting screwed.

    • cyberge99 1 hour ago
      The PDBs are summaries intended for only the President.
      • upboundspiral 1 hour ago
        Intended only for the President means that only carefully crafted half truths to influence the desired result are present.
  • edot 1 hour ago
    What’s the purpose of publishing these? Why now? Why redacted still?

    Interesting to read but … why bother?

    • alephnerd 52 minutes ago
      > Why redacted still

      Because a number of the people associated with this are still alive on all sides.

      1998-2001 was only 25-28 years ago, so a lot of sources are still alive or active sources as we speak, and in a number of cases now decisionmakers in theirs early-mid 60s.

      It's the same way how a KGB liaison officer in 1989 Dresden ended up invading Ukraine 25 years later.

      > Interesting to read but … why bother?

      It still has academic value, and plenty of information to be garnered.

      • tancop 29 minutes ago
        The redacted parts are a lot more than names and detailed locations.

        I think there should be a law that any info is fully public after like 20 years unless releasing it would put a specific person or named group in danger, like a source's identity but not the things they said. No vague talk about national security that can't be verified unless you have a clearance and is probably subjective anyway.

        Yes, that includes nuclear weapon designs, hacking tool source code and every assassination plan ever dreamed up by some megalomaniac CIA officer. The system needs to go.

        • dmix 16 minutes ago
          From NYT article:

          > the C.I.A.’s standard practice is to release them only after about 40 years, to ensure no sources are compromised and minimize any potential tension with allies.

          So this was released much earlier than usual and that might be why it's more aggressively redacted

        • SoftTalker 25 minutes ago
          "the things they said" could very well reveal their identity.
        • ozgrakkurt 16 minutes ago
          > I think there should be a law that any info is fully public after like 20 years unless releasing it would put a specific person or named group in danger

          They don't even release files about human trafficking rings (epstein). Pretty sure what you are suggesting is impossible.

          From the outside, it even looks like Trump attacked Iran because of the epstein files. The war is causing more deaths and terror. And it is causing economic problems worldwide. Pretty sure US government legitimacy is at the lowest point in my lifetime.

          • Jtsummers 12 minutes ago
            > From the outside, it even looks like Trump attacked Iran because of the epstein files.

            He attacked Iran because he has warhawks and wannabe crusaders in his core group of advisors who believed that it would actually be a quick war, and that the people who had always cautioned against it were just nervous nellies. It doesn't help that Hegseth actively worked to remove people who would have cautioned against it so the yes-men "leaders" left behind were more willing to go along with the false confidence that a short few strikes would be enough.

      • Fischgericht 15 minutes ago
        Well spoken.
    • dboreham 51 minutes ago
      Distraction from Epstein?
  • pazimzadeh 17 minutes ago
    The absence of Iran in any of this is notable.

    Almost like there was no reason to include them in the 'Axis of Evil' at a time when the US was providing cover for them in the fight against Taliban.

    • dmix 9 minutes ago
      Only if you ignore the 40+ years Iran has been funding jihadists and terrorist paramilitary groups. Including founding Hezbollah in 1982, the group who pioneered the VBIED car bomb tactic who along with Palestinian groups made plane and bus hijacking part of their brand, both of which Osama himself said heavily influenced Al-Qaeda.

      Iran also directly funded Shia terrorist groups in Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Al-Qaeda/ISIS were just the local Sunni variety, but with less state-backing and more decentralized.

      • pazimzadeh 2 minutes ago
        Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hezbollah was created after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978, and Hezbollah was not involved in 9/11.

        By your logic, shouldn't we be enemies with Saudi Arabia and Israel, who have incubated and funded terrorists for much longer than Iran?

  • jauntywundrkind 2 hours ago
    Reminder that Trump famously doesn't take Daily Briefs (first term and now) and for a year with Gabbard, she was omitting huge swarths of info from what he did get.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/09/trump-intelligence-...

    https://www.npr.org/2016/12/13/505348507/what-exactly-is-the...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tulsi-gabbard-reveals-li...

    • Animats 4 minutes ago
      The CIA has considered Fox News style reports as a form of the daily brief that Trump might be able to understand.[1]

      Trump does get regular briefs several times a day, by Natalie Harp. Her job is to find flattering press reports, print them out for Trump, and hand them to him.[2] She has a backpack with a battery-powered printer for this when away from the White House.

      [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/gabbard-c...

      [2] archive.is/CFCQT

    • boredatoms 2 hours ago
      Its harder to ignore reality if you’re being explicitly told about it each day
      • mandeepj 1 hour ago
        Alternate reality then?
      • cyberax 39 minutes ago
        No, it's not, if you just forget what you were told.
        • SoftTalker 23 minutes ago
          TBH, that was probably Biden, and Reagan at least toward the end of his second term. There really should be an upper age limit on federal offices.
          • tw04 14 minutes ago
            TBH the president should primarily be relying on trusted, competent advisors that they’ve surrounded themselves with. They can’t possibly be experts in enough areas to make unilateral decisions.

            Which is probably why Biden didn’t attack Iran.

    • ck2 8 minutes ago
      he doesn't read, he's literally Biff from Back to the Future

      also Roy Cohn taught him reality doesn't matter, just make up any lie and repeat it to the very end until that's all people will respond to

      now he's surrounded by people that only tell him what he wants to hear like his "human printer" with $45,000 "xmas gifts"

      imagine if there was an actual attack now

      he'd invade Canada, seriously, wouldn't matter who did it, he'd make up a reason and repeat it constantly until it's the only talking point

      notice how we're not talking about the Epstein Files anymore?

      SOB changed the topic enough times to make it slide out of the news

    • firefax 37 minutes ago
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      • brumbelow 32 minutes ago
        I have lots of questions but am sure you will not answer them.