16 comments

  • nopassrecover 0 minutes ago
    Rather interesting timing after the US accused China of supplying Iran with high-res imagery used to support attacks on US bases, then a Chinese satellite mysteriously broke apart
  • jonkoops 1 hour ago
    Space really should be a neutral ground like Antarctica. Especially since the consequences of space debris might trigger the Kessler effect [1], denying humanity future access to low-earth orbit for the considerable future.

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome

    • voidUpdate 1 hour ago
      There is the Outer Space Treaty (1967), which forbids placing "nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner", but you can get around that by saying that it's just a conventional weapon, not nuclear or WMD. If it's for space to space combat, you could say that any weapon is potentially a WMD due to the Kessler potential, but if its space to ground, like an orbital missile platform or something, you are technically in the clear.

      I'm guessing it doesn't ban weapons in space completely because of things like the survival guns on Soyuz (if they still fly them), used for defending yourself against wild animals in the event that you land in a forest or similar. "No weapons in space" would ban that as well, but I think it's reasonable to have a survival kit, just in case

      • notahacker 51 minutes ago
        Realistically pretty much anything in orbit is a viable space to space weapon (for related reasons all space propulsion is ITAR controlled) so it was never practical to ban them. Space to earth, maybe, but that isn't unless it hits vague 'WMD' categories, and I'm not sure space to ground is necessarily what the US is declaring here.

        I suspect whatever capability the US is referring to is far more "counter space" than WMD in scope and an incremental improvement on kinetic and electronic warfare capabilities it's long had. You can do a lot of irresponsible damage in to space assets with ground launched anti-satellite capability, as multiple tests have already demonstrated...

        • spwa4 4 minutes ago
          But people want laws to not have to face this, and yet systematically refuse to actually do anything when those laws get violated.

          A law is fundamentally what's enforced, not what's on the paper. Which means if countries vote against any kind of enforcement, like happened here, those laws (whether rights or something else) don't exist. And they don't exist because regular people may shout about them (most don't), but they won't actually do anything, which, for most people, means pay for it.

          What's worrying is that human rights are definitely on the same train. When you critique this you get an angry retort that for example China commits large scale human rights violations against it's own population, and how unreasonable it is to expect anyone to do anything about it. Okay, but then we don't have human rights, please don't claim otherwise.

      • rjsw 1 hour ago
        • voidUpdate 1 hour ago
          Yes, but again that was a conventional weapon, and would have been fine under the treaty. I don't exactly condone it but it was also crap and never flew again. This video https://youtu.be/e-n_V5iEwAs goes into some of the reasons it was a particularly crap idea
      • pwdisswordfishq 1 hour ago
        Not that the US ever gave a shit about international treaties.
    • damnesian 5 minutes ago
      Oh I'm sure it will be "neutral," in the sense that all of us normal humans are potential targets in this day and age, under this leadership.
    • reptileIllumina 21 minutes ago
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  • HelloUsername 56 minutes ago
    > "a kinetic kill vehicle of some sort - so a vehicle that would release a projectile of some sort that would ram into a satellite and destroy it"

    Semi related "Rods from God": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

    • embedding-shape 13 minutes ago
      So, it's a pistol on a robotic arm, or what? Kinetic weapon doesn't say much.

      A pillar with a tiny engine that just incrementally increases the speed could be devastating at a distance though, I'm sure I've read this as some solution to a problem (or attempted solution to some problem) in some sci-fi book, can't remember which though.

  • tristanj 2 hours ago
    • thrance 1 hour ago
      Only relevant part is this:

      > Cost estimates for the Golden Dome program range from $175 billion (White House), to $1.2 trillion (Congressional Budget Office), to $3.6 trillion (American Enterprise Institute) depending on the architectural details. The wide range largely hinges on the number of space-based missiles and the cost of replacing satellites whose low orbits decay quickly due to atmospheric drag. Some $24.4 billion in federal funding was directed to the Golden Dome in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act in 2025, with another $13 billion allocated for the fiscal year 2026, totaling 2.2% of the federal discretionary budget during that year.

      It's just a ploy to transfer more public money to government contractors and friends, like Musk.

    • bob1029 1 hour ago
      See also: the mass of starlink satellites over time.
  • Steve16384 1 hour ago
    I feel safer already. What's the worst that could happen? I'm sure no-one will put an AI anywhere near it.
  • chukar 1 hour ago
    Well, that's one way to kick off a new arms race. Guess the orbital junk problem is about to get worse.
    • alfiedotwtf 1 hour ago
      Say goodbye to satellites and space tourism for the next 200 years :(
      • tialaramex 49 minutes ago
        Kessler trashes LEO and yes, "space tourism" because that means bare orbital joyrides and those would become unacceptably hazardous for a tourist attraction. But it makes no real difference for GEO or outer orbits, or for leaving if we, or more likely a non-human probe wanted to leave Earth's orbit.

        So, no Starlink, but you'd still have COSPAS SARSAT in a reduced form, you'd still have geostationary telecoms birds, space telescopes, and various other things.

  • poolnoodle 1 hour ago
    Who do they want to shoot in space?
    • latexr 49 minutes ago
      Not in space, from space.
    • emptyfile 51 minutes ago
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  • Theodores 42 minutes ago
    Technically the US has had 'space weapons' for many decades, due to how an intercontinental ballistic missile works.

    Incidentally, the Shuttle raised concerns in the USSR because they saw those large cargo bay doors and rocket thrusters out back, to think that this was a 'delivery system'.

    In the modern battlefield, 'hypersonic' missiles are the new shiny. However, any ICBM is 'hypersonic', at least during the space phase. The new meaning of hypersonic means going at 'hypersonic' speeds through the atmosphere and in the final approach. Force equals mass times acceleration, more speed means more deceleration, which means packing a bigger kinetic punch.

  • wewewedxfgdf 1 hour ago
    As long as they're OK with China and other countries having space weapons then all is fine.

    Everyone is equal with - they all have nukes in space sitting over each other's countries waiting to drop.

    This is fine.

  • 21asdffdsa12 1 hour ago
    The biggest assets space weapon wise has Musk? Anything that can become a particlecloud taking out a orbit counts- so two constellation sattelites, that aim for one another should count?
  • d--b 1 hour ago
    What's a space weapon?

    I imagine launching anything from space to earth would be highly inefficient and inaccurate. So it must be space to space.

    Space to space weapons are what? Small drones with an explosive charge? I guess that could work. These "combats" are going to be weird, because the objects are trapped in their orbits. Things are going to move very slowly with a lot of intertia.

  • pythonRon 1 hour ago
    U.S. paranoia knows no bounds.
    • gchamonlive 1 hour ago
      When the sole focus is profit and to crush enemies and not to care for the people, the world will start to look like it's full of enemies and profit. It's a self perpetuating, self inflicted situation.
  • junon 1 hour ago
    > Golden Dome

    Trump seemingly cannot resist the classic opportunity for a "1up", can he?

  • minipark 1 hour ago
    Isn't it ironic? Spending billions on threats from space while ignoring the person on Earth who acts like Putin's favorite unsecured login.
  • tyrabound 1 hour ago
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  • vbezhenar 1 hour ago
    Starlink is a space weapon.