20 comments

  • jacobgold 4 minutes ago
    At this point, no one seems capable of keeping a large database safe. I assume all medical and biographical information that exists is in the hands of the major state actors.

    China hacked 22.1 million records of US government employees:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag...

  • reactordev 20 minutes ago
    There’s a scene in Battlestar Galactica (2004) where someone asks Captain Adama why the Galactica doesn’t have networked computers. So the cylons can’t hack the ship…
  • corvad 16 minutes ago
    Looks like it was an Oracle PeopleSoft 0-day so I imagine there are a lot more systems vulnerable.
    • ctkhn 0 minutes ago
      I wonder if that was really a 0-day or an intentional backdoor?
  • steveBK123 3 minutes ago
    Claiming they got all employee & spouse data.

    Wondering about pets..

  • tencentshill 1 hour ago
    Well that's a big one.

    Perhaps firing expertise and hiring incompetents wasn't a good idea.

    • baggachipz 21 minutes ago
      I always assumed DOGE + Ka$h would create an impenetrable fortress of strength; a beacon on the hill of brilliance and security.
    • nateb2022 58 minutes ago
      There's incompetence in every major company including Oracle. PeopleSoft isn't known for being the most modern or secure thing out there. Less reliance on 3rd party software like this will be a good thing going forward.
      • lenerdenator 32 minutes ago
        That's assuming that the result of this will be to switch away from PeopleSoft.
        • Zigurd 11 minutes ago
          Not even the FBI has hostage negotiators good enough to get you out of an Oracle contract.
        • nateb2022 28 minutes ago
          I think enterprise software in this vein used to have a quasi-monopoly due to the sheer work required to build software of its size (not enough engineers exist in the government to do so), and the difficulty for competitors to enter regulated markets and so pretty much 1-2 options to choose from.

          AI now makes it possible to build this kind of software in-house, offering a 2nd choice, though it'll only be as good as the standards of the teams using it. Only time can tell.

          • sarchertech 18 minutes ago
            Enterprise software is complicated mostly because of number of customers it can support.

            Bespoke software can be orders of magnitude less complex. There are many reasons companies choose to use vendor solutions, but for large organizations it’s usually not “we literally can’t hire enough engineers to build it.”

            There are so many counter examples.

            • 0cf8612b2e1e 11 minutes ago
              Considering how bad most enterprise software is, I assumed the only real relevance was if the sales team ponied up some lavish perks to the right VP who only has to sign checks and never actually interact with the software.
    • rayiner 33 minutes ago
      Doesn’t seem new. Do you remember the 2015 OPM hack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag.... My data got leaked in that.
      • freejazz 2 minutes ago
        Probably just one of the new recruits clicking on a link while viewing beastiality
    • mc32 48 minutes ago
      Do you think this is a consequence of the seemingly quarterly RIFs at Oracle? Is it that offshoring wasn’t such a good idea?
      • lenerdenator 34 minutes ago
        The irony, of course, is that this will likely have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation, which will have a negative impact upon its value, which will then be resolved with more RIFs.

        It's okay. Larry got another island.

    • Romanulus 14 minutes ago
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    • Betelbuddy 36 minutes ago
      Lets hope the Epstein files see the light of day, thanks to AI...
      • toomuchtodo 5 minutes ago
        As long as they’re in a storage system accessible with an exploit chain, it’s just a matter of will and effort.
  • corvad 18 minutes ago
    Hmm ShinyHunters seems to be in the news quite a bit recently. Most high profile was the Canvas LMS hack last spring right during college finals. Wonder if there will be a ransom for this data as well.
    • john_strinlai 18 minutes ago
      they have been on an absolute roll for quite awhile now.
  • smalltorch 2 hours ago
    Thats a major attack on the US.

    If your systems are compromised and need to coordinate, what do you even do if you can't trust anything, assuming the attacker is still inside the network?

    • Joel_Mckay 23 minutes ago
      In general, most governments have standard operational policies that mitigate such issues (ISO 15408.) =3
      • dvh 18 minutes ago
        ISO and ICC start with the same letter, just saying...
        • Joel_Mckay 14 minutes ago
          The International Cricket Council does have very strict rules. lol =3
    • lenerdenator 25 minutes ago
      Is it, though?

      If the goal is to exfiltrate data, I guess it is. If the goal is to make the people working in the FBI feel vulnerable - and pushing out this sample data would suggest that it is - I don't think it is. You could probably do the same with data from social media sites and data brokers.

      • smalltorch 10 minutes ago
        Uh yeah, it dangerous. Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

        Consider open investigations with covert agents. Leaking their identitys could compromise entire investigations.

        Hopefully there was some forsight in washing undercover agents from these systems to other secure ones or something otherwise that's pretty bad.

  • KronisLV 11 minutes ago
    That feels like publicly announcing that you want to be in a lot of trouble.
  • levocardia 12 minutes ago
    So, what are the odds this was done with an open-weight LLM?
  • jgalt212 9 minutes ago
    If I use Claude or OpenAI swarm to commit crimes, and the vendor knows I'm up to no good, what's their liability? Do they plan to invoke the phone company defense?
  • dgellow 2 hours ago
    Im sorry given how bad of a situation that is, but it would be so ironic if they used Claude or codex for this
    • ben_w 32 minutes ago
      If the claim is true, I'd expect them to have used either those models or Grok or similar.

      Of course if I was the FBI, I would make it so hackers trying to breach the system get a honeypot where all the data is fake, and with LLMs (even poor ones) it would be very easy to fake an entire alternative reality.

  • Simulacra 34 minutes ago
    Again?
  • phendrenad2 6 minutes ago
    [delayed]
  • TZubiri 47 minutes ago
    Is their name a reference to pokemon? Or to the meme that the FBI/CIA glows through the screen?
    • bitwize 28 minutes ago
      You're thinking of "glowie", "shiny" is def a Pokémon thing.
      • mech422 10 minutes ago
        also an mmo thing - hunting for collectibles in game
    • clint 29 minutes ago
      They've been on an streak for over 6 years now, check out their wikipedia page.
  • giancarlostoro 36 minutes ago
    ...and this is how the FBI makes you a higher priority target, and you wind up caught.
    • clint 34 minutes ago
      US keeps arresting and charging people from this group for well over 6 years now, and this happens in 2026. They don't sound very scared.
  • kelseyfrog 1 hour ago
    So they're getting access to a year's worth of free credit reporting for the inconvenience?
  • iAMkenough 59 minutes ago
    In the same week the head of the FBI went on national TV to claim credit for increasing the bureau's use of AI by 605%, whatever that's supposed to mean.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

    • giancarlostoro 33 minutes ago
      It means when the FBI builds a case against you make sure your lawyer hires a competent forensic expert. I've seen and heard "expert" testimonies in some court cases that make me angry. There's people using tools that digitally "enhance" small images, and that gets presented as evidence in court. It bewilders me how adding pixels to an image is evidence.
  • applfanboysbgon 54 minutes ago
    Wow, that is bold. I wonder if they'll get away with it because incompetent leadership has decimated the US's capabilities? This certainly doesn't bode well for the US's odds against its nation-state rivals.
  • htrp 1 hour ago
    TLDR. A Peoplesoft (Oracle HR) instance was compromised which allowed movement into GovCloud (AWS)
    • ok123456 35 minutes ago
      PeopleSoft 0-day.

      Just goes to show that the wall of IT bureaucracy does nothing. I'm sure they had an ATO, a several-hundred-page SBOM, compliance audits, etc.

      • 0xbadcafebee 26 minutes ago
        The attackers exfil'd 3TB of data, which obviously included PII, from AWS servers. They should've had DLP, active monitoring, countermeasures, using a security vendor (you can set this up for AWS services using CloudTrail, CloudWatch Logs, etc). You're supposed to have that for sensitive government or military work, and it should have (at least) caught that much traffic going to a rando external IP, blocked and flagged.

        If they did have it set up, then somebody wasn't doing their job. If they didn't have it set up, they didn't comply (which is also not doing their job). I see this all the time. The security analysts send tickets to people when they see major issues and nobody is held accountable for inaction. Management asleep at the wheel (which is also their cover, can't be blamed for what you made sure you never knew about).

      • lenerdenator 29 minutes ago
        It doesn't do nothing. It does make things somewhat harder to attack.

        There was a time, 25-ish years ago, where exploits were thrown about like candy at a parade. The procedures you mention, along with other things, have made zero-days like these more valuable than gold.

    • jimbob45 20 minutes ago
      I’m skeptical that multiple terabytes of data were exfiltrated quietly. I’m struggling to see this as anything other than a bluff.
      • iAMkenough 12 minutes ago
        I'm less skeptical after seeing it happen to IDScan and terrabytes of government-issued IDs being exfiltrated quietly.

        Still skeptical, but the FBI's vendors are just as vulnerable to 0-days as Hertz's vendors.