Deepfake of Washington County, Oregon, Candidate Goes Viral Nationwide

(oregonjournalismproject.org)

21 points | by aliasxneo 57 minutes ago

4 comments

  • rideontime 7 minutes ago
  • DFHippie 30 minutes ago
    I don't understand why the people manipulated with lies aren't offended at the liars. They are primed to believe the lies, but aren't they mad that someone sought to manipulate them?

    This keeps happening because it works. But why does it work? Why isn't there blowback?

    • peder 3 minutes ago
      Are you going to update your comment now that a retraction was issued? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50173029
    • happytoexplain 14 minutes ago
      It's embarrassing. Instead, they tell themselves, "well, it could have just as easily been real."

      This has always been the case.

      However, the more interesting thing going on is that we have never had to reckon with this problem anywhere near as much as we do now, since the barrier to creating fakes has been reduced from "skilled software user" to "all five billion humans who can write".

    • UltraSane 3 minutes ago
      I feel the same way. Anyone who lies to you is fundamentally insulting you.
    • gruez 13 minutes ago
      The ironic part is that the veracity of the debunking is being questioned, so depending on how this turns out, this could either be referring to "haha dumb right wingers falling for AI generated meme" or "haha dumb left wingers falling for AI generated debunking". Truly a rorschach test of a comment.
    • dabinat 20 minutes ago
      Because they want it to be true.
    • jplusequalt 22 minutes ago
      Truth isn't important anymore.
  • rideontime 25 minutes ago
    As much as I hate to have to defend Jack Posobiec (aka EndWokeness), saving the "real" screenshot from this article and uploading it to OpenAI's verification tool[0] indicates that it, in fact, was AI-generated. I welcome any correction on this.

    [0] https://openai.com/research/verify/

    e: Okay, now I feel stupid for even bothering to do that. Look below her name and you'll see the leftovers of the old flag.

    edit 2: Retracted. https://www.oregonjournalismproject.org/editors-note-october...

    • gruez 16 minutes ago
      Even more damning seems to be the video of the event and cached images from google, which does not have an openai watermark (yes, verified myself).

      https://x.com/kgallella/status/2112332869461045733

      https://x.com/Honest_Bender/status/2112301833708519659

      Of course it doesn't conclusively prove that the flag was definitely right side up, but you'd really have to bend over backwards to explain why Oregon Journalism Project's "debunking" is watermarked but the counter-debunkings aren't.

    • peder 11 minutes ago
      lol I didn't see that at all, wow they soooo poorly photoshopped this and then had their all friends in the media like Axios push their lies
    • ofjcihen 22 minutes ago
      Unless I’m missing something all of the pictures in the article and on X that it links to return as being AI generated?
      • rideontime 19 minutes ago
        There's only two images in the article, the "real" (fake) image (which appears twice), and the screenshot of the tweet; the latter returns "No OpenAI signals detected" for me, unlike the other.
        • ofjcihen 17 minutes ago
          I’m including all of the images linked in both.

          And now that you’ve said that I’ve retried the same image 5 times and gotten AI 3 times and Not AI twice.

          Something tells me that tools is about as reliable as Pangram.

          • rideontime 12 minutes ago
            Then just try looking in the bottom left corner of the "real" image to see the leftovers of the upside-down flag. The SynthID watermark isn't even necessary here to spot the obviousness of the fake.
    • aaron695 6 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • peder 38 minutes ago
    • cortesoft 32 minutes ago
      And you trust this source because?
      • peder 25 minutes ago
        It's from their own Facebook page, it's the Google Image Search results from their own page.
        • ofjcihen 24 minutes ago
          “Before they deleted them” aka no way to check if this is BS.
          • peder 21 minutes ago
            Nonsense, the google image search result clearly still has the linkage established. There's nothing fake about it.
          • peder 21 minutes ago
            And why wouldn't you question why they deleted the original lol
            • ofjcihen 18 minutes ago
              That’s not the question. The question is “were they even there” before the “screenshot”.

              As an example, I can screenshot your comment and have AI edit it to have you say “I really enjoy misleading people on the internet for money”, post it, and then say “I took this screenshot before they deleted it.”

              • rideontime 17 minutes ago
                Please just look at the bottom left corner of the "real" image.
              • peder 7 minutes ago
                You don't understand: https://x.com/alx/status/2112585386929397799

                But also just look at the bottom-left of the image as is mentioned elsewhere in this comment thread: they didn't even bother to photoshop the entire image in their "debunk".

      • gruez 30 minutes ago
        As opposed to trusting "Oregon Journalism Project"?