8 comments

  • Crunchified 48 minutes ago
    If someone says Google can't be trusted for purchases of long-term, capital-style goods like a thermostat (or smoke detectors), I'd have to agree. The Nest I bought way back when may still be installed in the home I sold 10+ years ago.

    But I didn't buy it from Google, I bought it from Nest (pre-Google) - a company that designed and sold high-tech gear that was designed to be permanently installed and (presumably) last a good long time. The acquisition was not a good match, but it is what it is - lesson learned and reputations lost.

    (and the design, honestly, was more down Apple's lane than Google's - I thought the former would be more likely to buy them out, not that it guaranteed any different results).

    • soraminazuki 19 minutes ago
      > lesson learned and reputations lost

      I think that's an overly optimistic take, because we've been through this over and over, and it's only getting worse. We collectively are clearly not getting the message, and we don't own anything as a result.

  • izend 53 minutes ago
    What a coincidence, I am working on deploying the https://nolongerevil.com/ on my 2nd Gen Nest Thermostat, my wife has bugging me for weeks to either fix it or buy a new one.

    I am actually going to self-host and vibe code my own cloud service on Cloudflare.

    • tonymet 24 minutes ago
      how do you flash? do you need uart ?
  • folkrav 36 minutes ago
    On one hand, I obviously can’t legitimately expect the manufacturers of these things to support their older hardware offerings ad vitam aeternam.

    On the other, it’s a freaking thermostat controller. An appliance. I don’t want to have to replace appliances before they break, and software breaking it is unacceptable.

    I’ve been largely holding off on domotics because so much of it reeks of premature obsolescence... Maybe someone over here has good experience with Home Assistant et al?

    • joshfee 3 minutes ago
      I've been using NodeRED + zigbee2mqtt/zwavejs for my locally controlled home automation to great effect. I expose all my devices to Google Home as a convenient frontend, but all the actual devices are mine and locally controlled so I can replace Google at any point. I tried home assistant years ago, but aside from the wealth of plugins I didn't find its approach particularly convincing. I have on occasion used it simply as a bridge between node red and HA plugins before though which is nice for niche devices or integrations
    • gosub100 14 minutes ago
      I was looking at wireless cameras on eBay and had to stop because I realized I can't just check specs and price. I have to make sure they don't require a cloud connection and or a service plan.
    • tonymet 32 minutes ago
      They could easily license the server component to allow you to run it, or unlock the bootloader so you could run third party firmware.

      They've had 10+ years to plan ahead for this eventuality, and it's not rocket science.

  • regnull 29 minutes ago
    Nest is a disaster. Same with their fire alarms. I spent a small fortune buying those, just to rip them out and dump into garbage. Google hardware - never again.
    • michaelmcdonald 13 minutes ago
      Did you move to a different “smart” smoke detector? Just go with an old school “dumb” one?
    • tonymet 24 minutes ago
      100% agree. i had a thermostat and 4 cameras. abysmal software, and the hardware started dying . The thermostat died after 3 years, due to faulty "smart" HVAC circuitry . The doorbell camera (with built in lithium battery, ) died after 5 years.

      > $1200 in hardware, practically worthless.

      • SoftTalker 23 minutes ago
        Meanwhile my mercury-bulb thermostat from the 1960s still works perfectly.
        • tonymet 5 minutes ago
          i marvel at simple mechanical-electric solutions . e.g. toasters, simple coffee pots, thermostats. 100+ year duty cycles. amazing elegance and resilience
  • shiandow 48 minutes ago
    The emudhra debacle might turn out to be an accidental boon for keeping devices like this running.

    To a point anyway.

    • tonymet 31 minutes ago
      wouldn't they have to be an emudhra customer (their ssl certs signed by emudhra)?
      • matkoniecz 28 minutes ago
        If I understood correctly, emudhra was able to issue certificate to any website.

        Therefore if some device trusts emudhra root certificate...

  • jayd16 12 minutes ago
    How much could it possibly cost to keep these working?
    • tonymet 3 minutes ago
      in theory AI can produce the ongoing software support. and the compute bill is trivial compared to even a single AI assistant customer (1/500). something doesn't add up
  • plagiarist 20 minutes ago
    I would never buy an appliance that requires a third-party server. Google cannot remove the value from a Zigbee or Z-Wave thermostat like this.
    • gnabgib 11 minutes ago
      The Matter standard[0] (+HomeAssistant) starts to fix this, but almost all "smart" appliances have this flaw. From Lutron, GE, Apple, Amazon (ring), Philips(Hue), Samsung, LG, Control4, Ecobee, ADT, Schneier, Chamberlain, Tapo.

      [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard)

  • genldd 36 minutes ago
    Honestly, given the surveillance capitalism of it all, I take this as a win. The termostst should have been dumb the whole time, not an avenue for harvesting our data.

    More dumb electronics please.