Archive.today links going forward

(reddit.com)

94 points | by consumer451 2 hours ago

15 comments

  • consumer451 2 hours ago
    Archive.today = archive.is - which is added via comment on a huge percentage of posts on HN.

    Link to comment explaining the discovery:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1xhf6qp/archivetod...

    edit: Maybe I should have titled this "claim to have discovered" as there is no external verification, and no write up. I thought I should post this in any case.

    • mahboi 2 hours ago
      Version that doesn't require login: https://reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1xhf6qp/archivetoday_l...

      I'm confused though, it says the site injected malware into its archived form. But the HN title says archive.today injected the malware.

      • dpark 1 hour ago
        You said the same thing twice. “The site” == archive.today

        The claim is that archive.today is injecting malware into archived pages. Given some of the past behavior, this is not hard to believe.

      • LoganDark 1 hour ago
        The archive.today site is the one injecting the malware, not the site being archived.
        • mahboi 1 hour ago
          "It was discovered by a member of the mod team today that an article archived by archive.today had injected malware links into the archived article."

          Idk, maybe this is just a typo, but grammatically this is saying the article injected the links.

    • shagie 1 hour ago
      From historical posts on HN:

      Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805 (8 months ago, 366 points, 178 comments)

      Ask HN: Weird archive.today behavior? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46624740 (9 months ago, 140 points, 71 comments)

    • vadansky 1 hour ago
      TIL; I always thought it was part of archive.org and I never understood why people hated it. Now I get it
    • arprocter 1 hour ago
      Looks like ClickFix impersonating GitHub

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClickFix

      • k00shball 22 minutes ago
        Ahh thanks... I hadn't heard of "clickfix" before.
    • drusepth 4 minutes ago
      Maybe this will be enough to finally rule against paywalled submissions here on HN.
    • grimgrin 1 hour ago
      no one can view old.reddit.com w/o being authorized. idk if you're aware, but it lost a lot of appeal as such. what i'm saying is, folks can view reddit.com w/o logging in, but not old.reddit.com
      • consumer451 44 minutes ago
        Thanks for the reminder. Theoretically, I know this, but it’s a really hard habit for me to drop.
      • Akronymus 47 minutes ago
        you used to be able to set the redesign_optout cookie to true, but that doesnt seem to work anymore as of like a day ago for me
        • qingcharles 14 minutes ago
          They just demoed an entirely new version of Old Reddit at ModWorld. Same front-end but runs on the New Reddit backend.
    • abeyer 1 hour ago
      Hmmm... any other day I'd think that I need archive.today to get past reddit's login wall to read that.
  • lxe 29 minutes ago
  • avidruntime 40 minutes ago
    Not sure what to believe here. Wouldn't it be possible to create a site that has some js embedded that is able to be aware of archive's process so that the archived page renders a different page than the original? Could that secondary page be what is trying to deliver the malware, using archive as an unwitting laundry? That matches the MO of malware delivery via other services, no? I'm baffled as to why the mods don't provide any details whatsoever. There are more links to the controversy between the blogger who sought archive's webmasters identity than details of this incident. The mods in this subreddit are doubling down on not sharing details under the guise of "not our job to be infosec". Perhaps a write up is in due time but at the moment this feels like a sketchy extension of the aforementioned drama
    • Ukv 31 minutes ago
      Seems unlikely to be the case here if what one of the mods said is true:

      > We verified this isn't just us or just this source (it's a link in a NYT article to a PDF anyway, about the most safe combo I can think of)

      Might be able to find the article in question by looking for NYT links posted to the subreddit recently (if the presumably-deleted archive link was posted separately as a reply).

      • avidruntime 15 minutes ago
        Perhaps, but it could also just be "take our word for it" devolving into more "take our extended word for it". Being prepared to make an alarming enough claim that it sparks discussion outside of the sub but being unwilling to provide evidence remains suspicious.

        That suspicion becomes more grounded when the conversation with the subreddits mod regarding why the claim was made without a willingness to provide evidence looks like this:

        >If you're going to make an allegation like this, it's necessary to be specific. Specifically, what is the malware, and what is the evidence that it was "injected"? This is "consult a security researcher" and "speak to the media" territory, not "mod announcement" territory.

        >>No it's not. These archive sites are a legal gray area anyway. We don't have to consult anyone to decide not to allow the links. No we are not talking to the media, we're not providing research, or a proof. I'm not calling the mayor. We are reddit mods . This is purely about community management.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1xhf6qp/archivetod...

    • lysace 36 minutes ago
      It looks like the some reddit mods on a power trip. Zero actual evidence presented.
      • avidruntime 32 minutes ago
        Is it a power trip stemming from a technical misunderstanding (archive.today exploited to deliver malware =/= archive.today attempting to deliver malware) or is it something else? In any case, reading the comments on reddit, seems like the mods are going out of their way to appeal to hysterics.

        Unbelievable that the comment asking for evidence sits at -24 upvotes in that thread as of now. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1xhf6qp/archivetod...

        • mahboi 0 minutes ago
          I think the moderators just don't know what's going on and are blacklisting it out of abundance of caution. Cause whether the malware comes from the archived site or the archiver itself, it means the archiver isn't safe in a way. Which is fine. It's just ridiculous that someone is asking for details and getting ostracized as a result.
  • mahboi 4 minutes ago
    I read through the comment thread there. There's almost no explanation of what's going on, not even the offending URL. When someone asked, he got downvoted a bunch and ridiculed, which reminds me of why I don't have a Reddit account. I don't trust archive.today because of its track record but don't trust this particular allegation either. The news is simply that a subreddit moderator blacklisted archive.today.
  • efficax 1 hour ago
    They really need to show some evidence for this! Just this suggestion means I won't ever use it again
  • ada-h00k 34 minutes ago
    I think it's a shame that copyright laws don't allow us to host a non shady alternative to this. The only reason people use such dubious sites is that there's no other way to share a link to a news site without risking that the text will be altered later or hidden behind a paywall.
    • strenholme 9 minutes ago
      One legal way to share news stories which generate controversy is to have an AI make a summary of the article, rewording it to remove any copyright from the article (this legal trick only works when the news site in question is reporting on factual events, since facts can’t be copied as per Feist vs. Rural 1991, and I make sure that the summary has “a different sequence, pace, and setting than the original article” as per legal judgments on whether an AI summary of factual events as reported by a news source is subject to copyright).
  • Permik 1 hour ago
    The writing had been on the wall for a while. Hopefully this'll finally drive the usage of the site down.
    • knowaveragejoe 49 minutes ago
      What are the alternatives besides the IA?
    • LoganDark 1 hour ago
      Surprised that using visitors for DDoS attacks wasn't enough already.
      • john_strinlai 1 hour ago
        not sure why this is downvoted. they modified their captcha so that visitors contributed to a ddos against a blog, on top of a handful of other threats, tampering of archived data, etc.

        they are not great people.

        • burningChrome 1 hour ago
          As a personal vendetta against Jani Patokallio (a Finnish cybersecurity blogger) who was trying to unmask the person who ran the site - which goes back to 2023.
          • MisterMunchkin 49 minutes ago
            I don't really care about that though, because trying to dox someone and get them killed isn't a good or moral thing to do. You could easily just not do that. You have to really go out of your way to try and hunt someone down, and at any point you could just not do it. For the targeted person to want revenge is just an inevitability.
      • Hamuko 1 hour ago
        There's been quite a lot of people still defending the site. Basically "who cares about DDoS attacks and altering archived sites' content when it allows bypassing paywalls?"
        • 1317 50 minutes ago
          well, yeah
        • LoganDark 1 hour ago
          Setting my user-agent to Googlebot in a private window bypasses most paywalls just fine. Surprised at how many sites aren't checking against the published IP ranges.
          • worksonmine 15 minutes ago
            The few people willing to change their user-agent aren't worth the extra complexity.
      • AyyEye 35 minutes ago
        Residential proxies DDoSing half the internet is standard operating procedure this decade and yet everyone still buys connected garbage and monetizes their apps this way.
  • kragen 1 hour ago
    Disappointing but not that surprising; it's been banned from Wikipedia for months because it was enlisting viewers' computers in a DDoS against an investigative journalist for trying to figure out who was behind it. But it's the only way I've found to access a lot of information that is otherwise lost. So, what do we do?
    • kvemkon 6 minutes ago
      > investigative journalist

      I think there is a confusion of blogger with a registered journalist, who must follow journalist's (ethic) rules.

    • humodz 1 hour ago
      for anyone interested, here's a writeup of the DDoS story: https://web.archive.org/web/20260203073744/https://gyrovague...
    • sfoley 1 hour ago
      Weren't they also caught modifying their "archived" content?
    • nbajka 1 hour ago
      You keep using it as normal and if it tells you to copy and paste commands into your terminal you DO NOT do it?
      • mahboi 1 hour ago
        tbh yeah, this isn't my first time visiting a sketchy website and won't be my last
  • Onavo 52 minutes ago
    Until somebody invents a solution for bypassing paywalls at scale, they are not going away. It's like people asking "why don't AI companies release their training data".
  • avazhi 37 minutes ago
    That sucks I guess but until there’s an alternative I don’t really care.
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