How accurately did science fiction stories predict AI?

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26 points | by jamesjyu 2 hours ago

16 comments

  • pugio 32 minutes ago
    I have a hard time suspending disbelief with sci-fi these days. It's really hard to imagine any believable future along current trend lines; either you contrive a reason why AI didn't become a thing (1), or you have to explain why humans are doing anything - piloting a starship, science, exploration, etc. (2)

    (1) Butlerian Jihad. Sanderson's Skyward at least had a reason.

    (2) Banks's Culture had a possible future. I'm sure there are others, but not many.

    I think about this a lot, and while I have tons of near future sci-fi ideas (which probably would have seemed very far future, 10-20, years ago), I just can't conceive of anything much farther out. I guess that's why they call it the "singularity".

    • Animats 0 minutes ago
      A huge problem with SF today is that it's tough to even imagine an upbeat future. That's rather discouraging. SF cannot tell us what to aim for.

      As to prediction, there were some very accurate early hits. A Logic Named Joe

      SF hit a dead end when interplanetary exploration discovered that off-Earth real estate in this solar system really sucks.

    • NitpickLawyer 2 minutes ago
      Have you read the Bobiverse series? It goes into some of these themes, and explores AI, post humanity and so on.
    • defrost 9 minutes ago
      > or you have to explain why humans are doing anything

      Jack Williamson made a case for humans resisting doing nothing: With Folded Hands ... (1947) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Folded_Hands_...

    • nyc_data_geek 20 minutes ago
      Give Accelerando by Charles Stross a read. The future isn't over yet.
    • a_bonobo 29 minutes ago
      I think you suffer from Fisher's 'capitalist realism':

      >the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it.

      Star Trek and Banks' are post-capitalist futures.

      • pugio 21 minutes ago
        I'm saying that I haven't really seen (almost) anybody present a coherent future. Not just me.

        Star Trek, as much as I love it, does not really grapple with AI heavily, and I already mentioned Banks.

      • gowld 26 minutes ago
        Star Trek is easy to "imagine", but also easy to invalidate.

        The only slightly fleshed out bit of Star Trek is the military, not the planetary society.

  • andrewflnr 55 minutes ago
    Not mentioning Peter Watts here is criminal, because he came unnervingly close to nailing it. The voice of Rorschach in Blindsight is very similar to early LLMs. And, well, hopefully the dead internet of Starfish doesn't turn out to be a prophecy but I'm getting nervous.
  • joegibbs 21 minutes ago
    AI from the past seems more like it’s based on the computers of the time - the AIs seem to be very logical, never make mistakes and act like they’re an expertly programmed bunch of switch statements and ifs. Whereas modern AI is based on human text and so the models have human biases and do things like swear in their chain-of-thought and sometimes make errors for no reason at all.
  • sim04ful 7 minutes ago
    Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age (a young lady's illustrated primer) ≈ LLMs + Intelligent UI (OpenAI)
  • JuniperMesos 20 minutes ago
    The sci-fi story that I constantly find myself thinking about when I read about real-world AI developments is Ra, by qntm/Sam Hughes: https://qntm.org/ra
  • NitpickLawyer 28 minutes ago
    I'm glad to see Aurora (by KSR) up there. It's a great sci-fi story overall, but for this topic the "waking up" of the AI and the entire evolution as we get to know it, and hear its voice is absolutely great. Highly recommend it, if you haven't read it.
  • blarg1 11 minutes ago
    There's also "Destination: Void" by Frank Herbert.
  • incognition 29 minutes ago
    vernor vinge bubble in time series gives a lot of food for thought without overly patronizing or moralizing
  • parasti 26 minutes ago
    This goes so hard with numbers without even a passing mention of how the author actually read the books. AI wrote this.
  • chanakya 49 minutes ago
    Iain M Banks' Culture series seem to have got a lot right.
  • ant6n 19 minutes ago
    That jump in computer intelligence, so soon, is completely surprising. And I bet most actual sci fi fans would agree.

    I used to dismiss anything near-future involving any robot or AI you could just talk to. Now it exists. Unfathomable.

  • lincon127 29 minutes ago
    What AI?
  • ajb 44 minutes ago
    It's interesting how the Hard SF authors (at least, the ones I read) had poorer predictions than the more fantasy-like ones. Asimov, who was considered a giant of the field, thought that AI (robots) would have difficulty with ambiguity, creativity, and lying. This trend extends all the way to Star Trek's Data. Looking back on it, this view was probably based on Asimov consciously or unconsciously basing his robots on the more autistic of the scientists that he knew.

    Whereas fantasy authors write stuff like "a sufficiently large pile of books becomes an intelligence" (Pratchett) and that's pretty much what's happened...

    • vlovich123 29 minutes ago
      I think you’ve misread Asimov. Asimov highlighted the problem of alignment before it had a name and generated stories out of rule-based attempts to solve alignment.

      I don’t recall his robots having problems with creativity nor lying - precisely Daniel in the post-Foundation books was found to have developed a zeroth law which he used not only to lie but also to creatively get the universe back on Seldon’s plan after the Mule disrupted it. There were also stories in the robot/Spacer era pre-Foundation where robots lied precisely because they had to to save a human life or themselves. And the robots were creative - the human inspector those series followed relied on the creativity of his robot companion (Daniel) to help him.

    • cowlevel 36 minutes ago
      AI attempts at the time were based on modelling and logic, not machine learning. Whereas soft SF authors were just like "there are people made of computer chips".
      • vlovich123 11 minutes ago
        Asimov’s AI was based around the positronic brain which simulated organic neurons if I recall correctly.
      • JuniperMesos 27 minutes ago
        Mid-20th-century hard sci-fi authors were not sufficiently Bitter-Lesson-pilled. Which is unsurprising, that essay was written in 2019.
    • bothers 30 minutes ago
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  • scotty79 44 minutes ago
    It's gonna be cool to reevaluate that in few years. Different stories might move to the top as real world AIs capabilities grow and new behaviors manifest.
    • zahrevsky 30 minutes ago
      Yeah, The Terminator scored low on this rating for now.
  • CamperBob2 1 hour ago
    Everybody needs to go read Asimov's Someday. Now's a good time, go do it.
  • eesmith 25 minutes ago
    I think this quote is cherry-picked:

    > I agree with Ursula Le Guin that “Science fiction is not predictive; it is descriptive.” To me, the interesting parts of science fiction isn’t how accurately it extrapolates into the future, but rather, given a future circumstance, how might be?

    You can read her views at https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/342990/the-left-hand... .

    """Prediction is the business of prophets, clairvoyants, and futurologists. It is not the business of novelists. A novelist’s business is lying.

    The weather bureau will tell you what next Tuesday will be like, and the Rand Corporation will tell you what the twenty-first century will be like. I don’t recommend that you turn to the writers of fiction for such information. It’s none of their business. All they’re trying to do is tell you what they’re like, and what you’re like—what’s going on—what the weather is now, today, this moment, the rain, the sunlight, look!"""

    Le Guin's view, as I understand it, is that science fiction is about describing the present, even when it takes place in the future.

    I spot-checked "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress". It ranks a 2 for scaling, but according to the guidelines it should rank 0, because "A giant computer that merely stores more records doesn’t count for much. Neither does a magical threshold where the machine suddenly wakes up." and Mike's description is literally that he woke up when he reached that threshold.

    It's on the first page. https://archive.org/details/bwb_S0-DFY-783/page/8/mode/2up?q...

    The growth in Mike's abilities is not from putting new hardware online, but because he matures like a person does, for example, https://archive.org/details/bwb_S0-DFY-783/page/64/mode/2up?...

    I also don't like the omission of Wyoh's contribution to Mike's training.