23 comments

  • rolosa 22 minutes ago
    Siri needs to be useful, period.

    When my phone is sitting on my countertop and I say "hey siri, add eggs to my shopping list" I expect it to add eggs to my shopping list, as it has done so for years, instead of saying "you'll need to unlock your iPhone first."

    When I'm driving my car merging onto the highway and I see furniture on the ramp, and I say "hey siri, call the local non emergency police department number" so that I can report it, I expect it to say something like "I have the [city name] non-emergency phone number, want me to call now?" Instead of it saying "calling the New Jersey police department" which is halfway across the continent from me, and then giving me no way to hang up the phone hands free forcing me to grab my phone from the console and quickly try to hang it up while I'm driving at highway speeds.

    • el_benhameen 2 minutes ago
      Yeah, the “new” Siri described in this article is not the Siri I’ve been interacting with. Basic speech to text is still flawed; I have to enunciate slowly and clearly with no background noise or it will make absurd mistakes that would be obvious if the context of the prompt and the phone were considered. Adding a reminder to a list is now slower and more error prone than with the old Siri, like you said. I have to sit and delicately hold the phone or watch to avoid disturbing it while it thinks, lest it decide that I’ve moved on and give up on its task. I tried to push it a little by asking for the title of the last podcast episode I listened to; it started talking about a podcast I’d never heard of nor even pulled up on the phone before garbling the second half of its sentence and then going silent.
    • wl 19 minutes ago
      Another example from yesterday: I’m using CarPlay. A text message notification pops up. I ask Siri to read the message. Siri says there are no recent messages. More notifications pop up. Siri still has no idea.

      This used to work just fine.

  • AnonC 19 minutes ago
    > Even today, Federighi carries a reputation for having been an AI skeptic, concerned about the technology’s privacy, security, societal and employment implications.

    I’m kinda in agreement with Federighi on these concerns. Though he hasn’t delivered on software quality (from my perspective), I believe it’s good to have someone who keeps these concerns in mind (not necessarily SVP of software).

    I tried Siri AI on iPhone recently thinking that it’d be great. I found that Siri AI can’t even navigate to a given URL to get look up information (the response was, “I can’t access specific web pages”). At this point, it seems like Siri AI is probably good for accessing/working with some data on the iDevice and/or doing research on the web.

    Siri AI to me when I asked what it is even good for:

    “I can help with a wide variety of tasks on your device. I can help you draft emails and messages, set reminders, create calendar events, and find information from the web. I can also help you organize text, perform calculations, and manage your smart home accessories.”

    The software chief who pushed out the previous AI chief (who wasn’t enthused by LLMs) must move out for Apple’s AI…and even its own consumer release software…to improve.

    • rolosa 6 minutes ago
      What I don't understand is how I can, allegedly (I've never tried), ask siri to dig through my photos and iMessages to look for stuff, but when I ask it to summarize the website on the screen it says it can only see literally what's on the screen and can't scroll down or grab the entire article that's already been loaded.
  • iamgopal 5 minutes ago
    If Apple forces developers to support Shortcuts, ensures true Mac-to-iPhone parity, and lets users generate scripts using natural language AI, it’s game over. Nailing this native integration would single-handedly kill the market for almost every derivative AI app out there.
  • xnx 33 minutes ago
    It's a crowded field and Apple has almost no expertise in AI, but hopefully they can find some angle that makes use of their massive locked-in customer base and huge piles of cash.
    • judge2020 26 minutes ago
      I'm not sure about "no" expertise in AI. A lot of their AI work has been in efficiency and getting models running on the fanless rectangles everyone has in their pockets. Same for Google. They just don't seem to be interested in developing big, expensive frontier models. They've leaked CLAUDE.md in software releases a lot, so for internal development it seems they're fine paying Claude API prices while Anthropic burns piles of cash on training and advancement.
      • rolosa 14 minutes ago
        They don't need frontier models. They can just take what Muse is and make Siri that.
    • browningstreet 13 minutes ago
      What Apple needs to accomplish with AI, given their lack of a home-grown frontier model, hasn’t been done, at scale and with refinement, by any company anywhere, except maybe Perplexity. They’re struggling to refine a unified consumer platform that is built as an abstraction layer.
  • needSomeCoffee 25 minutes ago
    Interesting notes about Craig's management style in that article. I have worked with a few C-Level folks with similar traits (e.g. "smartest in the room", etc.) and never seen great outcomes. Have been hoping for years that MacOS would get back to being a delightful upgrade -- faster, better, etc. For me, that has been lost during the Craig decade or so. Note: This is just an opinion, and not well informed apart from seeing a guy like guys I worked with. I.e. not Craig's fault, and it might have been worse if not for him.
  • c0rruptbytes 11 minutes ago
    apple needs a better software cadence- siri cannot wait for every WWDC to get a bump, we should be seeing it every month in this current AI field
  • benoau 46 minutes ago
    They're in an interesting spot with AI, any rival has to run behind Siri to do the same things but they're not guaranteed a 30% piece of their revenue anymore, they're leaning on Google for datacenters so there's a real cost for usage but they're not yet worth paying to use.

    > better integrated with its technology than the competition

    And even this is looking more like short-term relief than a lasting advantage, and in a lot of countries they've already exhausted that option.

  • scrlk 57 minutes ago
  • ohrus 44 minutes ago
    I think we've long ago lost the plot on software. I great this news with continued apathy.

    Software and ceiling-less capitalism are at odds with each other.

  • porridgeraisin 18 minutes ago
    It is quite difficult for me to think of a mass-consumer AI business here. You can add a hundred little features scattered throughout iOS that give real improvements, and maybe put that behind a subscription?

    For platforms like instagram, you can use it to drive way more ad revenue and it sorts itself out, as described here: https://x.com/firesidealpha/status/2107082123215810862

    What is the equivalent for iOS/iCloud?

  • dragthor 40 minutes ago
    fm serve is a good start.
  • armcat 4 minutes ago
    I would like at least the basic things to work. Like spelling/auto-correct on my iPhone. You'd think after 10+ years of using the same apple account across many devices, it could learn to spell the word I've used 100 times already? It looks worse than the simplest markov chain. Not to mention finding files in Finder - impossible. I tend to instead use find/grep from the terminal, and worst case, when I can't remember exactly the name (but have some rough ideas of what it may be called), I get Codex to find it for me.
  • TheOtherHobbes 41 minutes ago
    The subtext is clearly that Federighi may need to reconsider his position.

    Not before time. Apple's software is a bland directionless nothingscape compared to the hardware.

  • calmworm 51 minutes ago
    An even minimally usable AI product would be a good start…
  • ykurtov 22 minutes ago
    I don’t get why journalists keep calling appointed bureaucrats “czars”.

    That absolute power fetish begun in second Trump term and didn’t seem to age well.

    Do they expect any of those czars to kill any of their children to protect their position?

    Fair enough, some of US czars actually had their private firing squads. And they did kill people at their will. And remained unpunished.

    But for the love of the people I wouldn’t bow to people like Bovino in a tech article.

    Anyways, I can’t imagine that’s what US people want.

  • amelius 47 minutes ago
    Affordable DRAM forecast just moved to 2050 ...
  • SpicyLemonZest 32 minutes ago
    > Another concern is Federighi’s preference for planning over relatively short periods, typically 12 to 18 months, compared with the multiyear road maps favored by Apple’s hardware organization.

    I feel like everything I read about Apple's AI strategy is full of these kind of "huh?" moments. How can someone who wants Apple to pursue an "Ambitious AI Strategy" simultaneously believe that the software org can produce meaningful multi-year roadmaps right now?

  • vinyl7 56 minutes ago
    The future of software and technology was already looking pretty bleak pre-AI. Now the AI slopification of everything feels like the final death blow to me.
    • hankbond 28 minutes ago
      certainly changes the landscape for professional work (for the worse mostly), but I'm having a blast in my personal work.
    • xnx 37 minutes ago
      Really? AI is finding and fixing critical bugs that have existed for decades. Hobbyists are recreating and remixing closed source games that have been abandoned. It has never before easier for a total amateur or an experienced coder to create as capable tools as now.
  • zsoltkacsandi 38 minutes ago
    It is very disappointing what Apple has done in the past two years with Siri and AI.

    First they did an ad for Apple Intelligence and Siri. Then two years silence. Then they launched it, it’s worse than it was before, not available in the EU and they use models from other companies.

  • moi2388 59 minutes ago
    Paywall
  • Den_VR 45 minutes ago
    Apple’s opportunity is the greatest hope I know of for the democratization of AI. Fingers crossed
    • hackyhacky 33 minutes ago
      Why would a $5 trillion dollar company have any interest in democratizing anything at all?

      Boggles my mind that people are fooled into into thinking a company has their best interests at heart.

      • yunwal 27 minutes ago
        They're a hardware company that made trillions of dollars selling hardware. "Commoditize your Compliment" is one of the oldest business strategies out there.
        • toymin 20 minutes ago
          their share of income from services and subscriptions has been increasing steadily year over year, i think they're interested in keeping that growth
        • Topfi 19 minutes ago
          A hardware company whose strongest gross margins come from services and has been trending in that direction for over a decade. Heck, if trends continue, their margins and profits might be predominantly services based in the not to distant future.
    • touwer 17 minutes ago
      Democratization as in buying a narcistic president with a golde iphone, amongst others?
  • 124512310X 58 minutes ago
    And so the enshittification of Apple begins.