8 comments

  • tptacek 44 minutes ago
    Not sure why you'd vibe-code a new VPN protocol, double ratchet or otherwise, when you can just take WireGuard and make a new transport for it.

    WireGuard by itself is not a stealth VPN, but the things that make a VPN "stealthy" are all things you'd layer on top of a WireGuard design, not thread through the middle of it. A datagram-based protocol can run under any obscured transport.

    We did this at Fly.io when we discovered that, for one reason or another, 5% of our users simply couldn't reliably use UDP. It was a one-day project to run it under WebSockets instead, and that was before coding agents.

    • WhyNotHugo 5 minutes ago
      > Not sure why you'd vibe-code a new VPN protocol, double ratchet or otherwise, when you can just take WireGuard and make a new transport for it.

      Why TFA explains it, it's also in the title: "stealth". WireGuard is trivial to detect and block, and has no aspirations at being stealth.

      • ronsor 1 minute ago
        He literally acknowledged that:

        > WireGuard by itself is not a stealth VPN, but the things that make a VPN "stealthy" are all things you'd layer on top of a WireGuard design, not thread through the middle of it. A datagram-based protocol can run under any obscured transport.

    • drum55 40 minutes ago
      Wireguard is both really useful and pretty frustrating as a user. As a developer it's amazing that you can do things like relay packets through a bouncer with authentication to get around NAT without ever having to think about the protocol level safety, as a user it's near impossible to configure without the confused "why are no packets working", and as you had here it just doesn't make it through a lot of restrictive networking conditions. I'd love some middle ground between wireguard and tailscale in terms of complexity, their clients have way too much stuff in them.

      The parent is obviously just Claude making a fancy website and some sort of unreviewed networking protocol that's dressed up to look as if it's a real project. Github really needs to start showing commit cadence and repo birthdates.

      • joecool1029 28 minutes ago
        > I'd love some middle ground between wireguard and tailscale in terms of complexity, their clients have way too much stuff in them.

        netbird's a thing to check out if you want an alternative to tailscale you can self-host.

        • drum55 24 minutes ago
          Netbird also, at least to me, has much too much stuff in it, perhaps even more. I would love to be able to connect to everything reliably no matter the network, the daemon doesn't need a reverse proxy, Ai agent routing and billing, in browser SSH client, it's all just attack surface. Tailscale allows you to compile a lot of it out as of a couple of weeks ago, but it's still an awful lot of code.
  • Sha1rholder 30 minutes ago
    > Memory-safe in Rust > The core is written in Rust, so entire classes of vulnerability cannot occur.

    Hmm... It just ain't true.

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    For those who need a "stealth VPN", use <https://github.com/XTLS/Xray-core/> or its GUI version <https://github.com/2dust/v2rayN/>

  • eric15342335 31 minutes ago
    Why not Xray-core VLESS families? It sounds like your code is written by an LLM that is trained on Xray-core source code.
  • lxgr 7 minutes ago
    > curl https://[...] | sudo bash

    > [...] verifies checksum [...]

    Phew, good thing it verifies that, otherwise piping unverified output to a sudo shell could be dangerous!

  • dieseltech 53 minutes ago
    > We believe privacy should be proven, not promised

    Then instantly gives you a shell script that it pipes to `sudo bash`. The irony isn't lost here.

    • hirako2000 50 minutes ago
      That's also the cost of providing convenience AND something that can open port 443
    • Carrok 51 minutes ago
      Also the suggested installation method of at least: rust, bun, uv, deno, and homebrew

      Such a tired trope. If you want to do it the hard way, you are welcome to build by hand https://github.com/PDG-Global/rVPN-core#building

      • drum55 47 minutes ago
        Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean it's right.
  • therein 1 minute ago
    I am all for exciting new VPN technologies but even the home page is vibecoded.

    > Many flows. One connection shape

    Shape, shape... shape.

    I feel up until AI, nobody with their right mind would refer to the shape of a connection.

    • cowlevel 0 minutes ago
      That's how you know there's nothing exciting here. Just some ordinary technology rehyped by AI phrasing.
  • PUSH_AX 52 minutes ago
    There's only 4 mentions of Rust on the landing page. Are we sure this is memory safe enough?
    • cowlevel 1 minute ago
      To be extra sure I saved a copy on a spinning platter of iron oxide.